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Same Sex Marriage Advocates. What's next?

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Now that the voters of California have banned gay marriage what's next for advocates of marriage equality? I know political winners will tell the political losers to give up. That's expected but not really going to happen. I think it is a matter of time before gay marriage becomes legal in California. Banning it in the constitution delays it for at least a few years it would seem. Do you agree?

I support marriage equality but I have many questions and views on the aftermath of the vote.

1. What happens to the reported 18,000 people that were married in the time same sex marriage was legal?

2. There are pending lawsuits arguing that Proposition 8 was a revision of the constitution, not a simple amendment. Revisions have to go through the legislature, whereas amendments can be put on the ballot by petition. This attempt failed in court when opponents of Proposition 8 tried to eliminate it from the ballot.

I don't have an opinion yet on if it is really a revision or an amendment. I am going to wait to read from some of the best legal minds around. I think many people will just decide to support whatever legal reasoning supports their position.

Click here to read an article about the lawsuits and the revision versus amendment argument.

3. I think the state legislature should pass a series of laws that clarify and strengthen the arguments against Proposition 8. Laws could be passed that update and empower parents to increase their ability to opt out of lesson plans they disagree about. Religious liberty laws could be made more clear. A whole series of laws that would have wide based appeal could be implemented.

That way when the vote comes up again, which seems like it will, the focus could be on gay marriage and not the other issues that were brought into the debate.

4. Somebody asked me if I thought people that voted Yes on Proposition 8 were bigots. Before I answer click here to read the dictionary definition of bigot by clicking here.

I do think that some of the people that voted yes on proposition 8 were bigots. But I also believe that many of the people that voted Yes on 8 were not bigots. I would treat them as individuals and not groups to answer the question.

But that goes for both sides. I argued with No on 8 people that had become bigots against Christianity in part because they saw some Christians as the people leading the movement to remove their basic rights. As a Christian I was offended to stand next to anyone, from either side, displaying bigotry towards others.

Both sides had people that stole signs, yelled hateful language, and likely turned off more voters than they convinced to support their cause.

So, what do you think is next?

None of the options looks great at this moment in time.

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Predictions: Proposition 8

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I met these young people out rallying Monday night at the corner of Alamo and Tapo Canyon about 9:30PM. I drove by earlier but didn't have time to stop about 5PM at the place was packed with Yes on 8 supporters.

Anyways, this is your official predictions entry for Proposition 8.

Post your predictions in the following format:

Proposition 8 will pass/not pass by _____ points.

I think the polls are unreliable in some ways on this proposition. I don't know what to expect.

The Election Night No On Proposition 8 party
At the Villa @ Paul's
2585 Cochran
Simi Valley
10' X 10' screen
Live Entertainment
Food
Tuesday night
After polls close
Limited to 250 people

Keep working until the polls close! To help Get Out The Vote ( GOTV) go to Democratic HQ at the corner of Sequoia and Los Angeles behind the Medcenter and 7-11.


No On Proposition 8 Rally 11/1 in Simi Valley

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Another day, another rally.

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Quick thoughts:

1. For a rainy day there was many people at the rally.
2. The age demographic went up a few years.
3. Both sides agreed that they were all getting along peacefully and debating respectfully.
4. There wasn't that many Yes on 8 people, they were out hanging flyers on doors across town.
5. Most of the gays and lesbians there are from Simi Valley and said they felt they were treated with respect living here.
6. If you are making videos or taking photos of almost any local political events that you want posted, send me an email.
7. Phonebanks at Democratic HQ in Simi Valley and across the county continue tomorrow.
8. There will be a rally again tomorrow.
9. I need a better camera. Bruce at The Star, are you reading this? Maybe as a holiday bonus?
10. To my new readers, thanks for reading and commenting on my blog. If you ever see a comment that needs to be deleted please email me.


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  • Bubba Kidd: Yesterday I noticed a fairly large group of yes on read more