Shame on Mr. Foy! He didn't even take that much money in the primary and he still tripped himself up... Is he the next Gerald Ford, without the coordination?

In all fairness, these allegations usually turn out to be much ado about nothing. None of those named should be judged by what are probably no more than the occasional oversight.

Today's full page ad sure ain't about an oversight! THE STAR is running a blistering announcement about the Peter C. Foy Foundation's apparent incompetence or dishonesty...I'm not sure which it'll turn out to be. Maybe Mr Foy can explain?

GS:

Yup, you're right! It sure wasn't an oversight. And even if Foy or his handlers claim that it was, that claim has no credibility for a simple reason.

If you go to the website of the Peter C. Foy Foundation(www.petercfoyfoundation.org/about_us.htm) you his picture and his title as, "President," of the foundation. As such, he was and is ultimately responsible for the conduct of the so-called, charitable foundation that bears his name.

But then again, just for kicks, dig-up one of Foy's political brochures from the primary election. You know the one that touts his "Priorities for Our County," and shows him sitting at his richly appointed mahagony desk, signing papers.

Look real closely, and what don't you see. The sign that Harry Truman had on his desk in the White House, namely, "...The buck stops here!.."

As a voter, after checking Foy out the conclusion that I draw is simple. If we can't trust Foy to follow the law and successfully lead, manage and conduct the business affairs of a charitable founation for kids that bears his name properly, we'd be fools to entrust him with policy setting, fiscal decisionmaking and legsitlative overisght of the County budget of more than ONE BILLION!

My advice to the 4th District Voters, "...Never trust a FOY to do a Man's job! -- Vote Jim Dantona on November 7th!

Iron Feliks

What full page ad? What did it say?

Eh:

Behold, let there be light!

http://display.venturacountystar.com/ROP/ads.aspx?advid=472478&adid=3487871&cat=5583

After you finish reading it, will you join me in the search for One Honest Foy??

Diogenes

I spoke to Rich Weier of CFEL and others and they say the info comes directly from the Sec of State's office. That being the case Foy has some real tough questions to answer. Whether Foy's screwed up by accident or design those politicos that have reluctantly given Foy their endorsements should cry out the loudest for a full explanation and, if they don't get it, should withdraw their endorsement immediately...not later.

Hey GS-

I thought I'd check out the Secretary of State link in the ad myself. It gets even more interesting. Seems Foy had an energy corporation that is not in good standing either.

http://kepler.ss.ca.gov/corpdata/ShowAllList?QueryCorpNumber=C2335899

WHO IS THIS GUY ANYWAYS?

MP2Y's the organization that's been fighting to take away the State's power to regulate the building of new power plants and to open up public lands, parks & indian reservations to energy suppliers (the same one's that have already been successfully sued by the State for screwing us all during the phony electricity shortage. That DOESN'T sound like a "slow growth" advocate talking!

When you quote an article you can also leave the url in the box that says url when you leave a comment.

That way your name shows as a link and it takes readers right to it.

Another fine example.

I can't believe what a terrible thing Peter Foy did to hurt non profits. He believes he is above the law. I have never seen him in Simi helping groups, but then he brags about his foundation which is not even obeying the laws. Mr. Foy you are the lowest of the low using kids to line your pockets and try and win an elective office.
Go back into your mansion and leave us alone.

The Peter C Foy Foundation, which is STILL soliciting illicit donations today, claims to have raised over $20,000 for victims of Katrina. Mr Foy, where is that money?

GS:

Good questions. Could it be part of the $120,000 he "loaned," his campaign for County Supervisor in the Primary election? But then again, how would the public ever know for sure, since Mr. Foy thinks he's above the law and fails to file the required paperwork with both the Secretary of State's Office and the Franchise Tax Board. As Maurice Stans, the Treasurer of Nixon's Committee to Re-Elect the President (CREEP) said, "...Follow the money.." Where did the money go Mr. Foy??? Come clean now!

Didn't we just see this a couple of months ago? I'm glad to see Dantona's NKVD have given us enough new dirt to whisper about for another eight weeks.

Yeah Dantona playbook!!!

All we have to do is post a bunch of posts talking to ourselves every fifteen minutes with different name, then it'll make it more believable.

Wink, Wink...

Only the dantona camp could pay for op research like this. Hi Jim Dantona.

I read about your tactic in Campaigns and Elections magazine one month. I think it was Robert Kennedy that said "shine a light on all your own indiscretions before your opponents do..." or something like that.

For other readers than Jim Dantona... this is how it goes...

First, report on all the crappy things you've done in a sympathy mailer to the public. (I liked the religious overtones of the "struggle" piece by the way). It was very manipul-- persuasive.

Second, attack, attack, attack your opponent. Drive up the sympathy of your base and anger opposition into attacking you negatively, which makes them look worse. It's a smart tactic for the sinners that might work, but I just hope for your sake there aren't any other indiscretions that you haven't disclosed to the public as of yet.

You may need an additional sympathy piece as the voters probably have forgotten and need to be manipula-- persuaded again.

Hey Rerun:

He must have read my chapter in "Power Plays" too where I talk about using new technology as well. The upside of this technology is Jim Dantona can pretend to be someone else and continue to fire off new campaign attacks.

For you readers out there, here's what to look for...

Another good tactic is to keep these anonymous charges going until they blow up into the newspaper. Republicans did this very well when 60 minutes ran that fake President Bush air force story. The blogs exploded and it dripped into the regular news media...

Jim: Is this called free media or earned media? I've forgotten.

The other factor to think about is offense and defense. I've said in the past, "A guy can't punch back if you have a fist in his face"

Dantona will stay on offense with charge after charge in hopes that Foy will begin to answer the charges like Mikels did. This would be a big mistake for Foy.

Remember readers, once a candidate is forced to answer another campaigns charge, they are pot committed to stay on that topic for the rest of the campaign. This is the greatest momentum killer to a campaign. They have seeded message control to their attacker.

If Foy wants to be successful he should stay on offense by counter charges that are just as vicious and probably just as half true. Or Foy should ignore, run on his message, and hope his base turns out.

And yet the charges come from the Secretary of State, are easily available to anyone with internet access and no one's defending Mr Foy, instead they're simply attacking the messenger to deflect inquiry about the charges. Fact is, running an illicit charity scheme is a criminal offense, NOT a campaign issue. The campaign issue is Mr Foy's character and ability to manage the taxpayers' money.

gs:

If it's not a campaign issue, why do you keep talking about it? Obviously, it is a campaign issue for you because it's out in the open and you keep bringing it up.

Ever here of innocent until proven guilty?

I think it's sad you are using unfounded charges to prop up Jim Dantona.

Yeah SG!!!

GS:

Are you willing to swear in a court of law that Foy broke the law? I doubt it. Stop using half-truths and stuff your not willing to submit to the DA on Monday morning for political purposes.

That's pathetic.

On a side note, why are all dantona's opponents criminals? Ever hear of the boy that cried wolf? Next, we'll probably find out Foy lives in Tucson... Guess they never read about the law of diminishing returns...

Get a new game plan Jim Dantona... I'm bored with these antics. Only people with a lobotomy can't comprehend what you’re trying to do.

You claim that only Dantona would have money for op research like this but I remember this blog last week had a story about Foy hiring young Republicans with a hint of a job to come to do op research!

Here is the link:

http://blogs.venturacountystar.com/vcs/dennert/archives/2006/09/peter_foy_help.html#comments

You might act like Foy is running a clean campaign but because of blogs we know he is trying to pay people to do his research. Don't confuse incompetence with character.

You might also notice they changed the job offer line after they were exposed.

This has to be one of the most pathetic responses I've ever heard.

If you knew anything about campaigns you would know you don't hire op research teams through an announcement in the newspaper.

First, if you did do it through a newspaper, how do you know dantona's camp wouldn't send someone over there to get hired on Foy's staff.

I'm literally laughing at this.

No, no, no, you hire a reputable op research team.

This is obviously what dantona did.

Try this site...

www.ResearchOps.com

I can't believe you people think op research is done by campaign telemarketers and envelope lickers. What a joke.

If you people are expecting a clean campaign from either side, you're smoking something.

There is no incumbent in this race, so it'll look more like a local house race, with both sides firing shot after shot.

The pro-Foy responses are so incredibly Clinton-esque! Accused of illegalities and wrongdoing? Why not blame the accuser for accusing you?

None of the Foy supporters can muster up one ounce of defense for Foy's actual actions... so instead they simply pretend to be aghast that a Dantona supporter would DARE bring it up.

The Foy supporters have made a lot of hubbub and noise... but have done nothing that attempts to explain or defend Foy's actions. The writing's on the wall.

Boy! Sounds like the Delay-Ney-Abramoff-Lay-Fastow Defense leagure has run to Foy's support. next the Swift Boat Vets will be attacking the State of California for lying about having suspended Foy's Foundation.

try as you will to discredit the messengers, by sheer weight of words it appears you Foy handlers are scared sh-tless of what Foy's foundation faux pas may mean to his election chances. If I was a Foy supporter (or endorser) I'd be too.

GS:

Good one with swift boats for truth.

Don't you mean Republicans for Ethical government... or A Full Time supervisor for a change?

Amazing how those charges just disappeared after the election?

I can't seem to catch up on all your criminal charges each day...

How come Foy wasn't attacked six months ago with this information?

Suddenly, we are a few weeks out and here comes the criminal charges in some sort of Show-trial by blog....

Classic Dantona playbook. You've read it well.

I haven't heard the CNP charges in a couple of weeks. Are you done with that one and moving onto this new convenient charge or can I hear you say the same thing again about radical CNP lurking behind this election....

Hi Jim Dantona:

Glad to see your still posting a barrage of made up claims...Is there anyone you've run against that hasn't been accused by you of being a criminal?

Sam Person can't defend all he can do is attack. Dantona has attacked before. But he has also pointed out the good things he has done.

Sam Person why don't you show that voting is worthwhile by defending something for once? One day little kids will want to know what you did with your life. Hopefully you won't tell them you never stood up for somebody! So, go ahead refute the charge. Unless you can't or don't care to.

If you don't care to then you are the worst cynic out there. That would mean you know Peter Foy is a man of low morals but you don't care about our community.

Of course, I think there might be an explantation for the charity stuff. I want to hear it. What I don't want is heartless attack robots changing subjects.

Backing a candidate is what you are doing. But you aren't saying what is good about him. Instead you say people shouldn't say mean things. How about you PROVE THE CHARGE WRONG! STOP USING SOPHISTRY WHEN THE COUNTRY IS BEING TORN APART! IS IT THAT HARD FOR YOU TO SAY I DON'T KNOW OR TO EXPLAIN SOMETHING?

Its all very simple, Mr Foy. Please explain why you think you'll do better administering the Taxpayers' money than you have your Foundation's.

A public forum hosted by the League of Women Voters would be a wonderful place to begin.

GS: Since your Foy focused, do you think Dantona should explain why he's fit for office when his lobbying firm was fined for failing to file? Does he think the voters don't need those disclosures.

This is really the same issue of both candidates, yet your partisanship is aimed just at Foy.

Hi Jim Dantona: Why don't you answer a question yourself since your so open. Why'd you fail to file?

Below is from the FPPC.

EXHIBIT 1

INTRODUCTION
Respondent Governmental Impact is a lobbying firm located in Simi Valley. Respondent Jim
Dantona is a registered lobbyist and the owner of Governmental Impact. In 1999, Respondents failed to timely file two quarterly lobbying reports. The reports were eventually filed on February 1, 2001.
For purposes of this stipulation, the violations of the Political Reform Act (“Act”)1 are as
follows:

COUNT 1: Failure to timely file a lobbying firm report for the period from July 1, 1999
through September 30, 1999, in violation of Section 86117.

COUNT 2: Failure to timely file a lobbying firm report for the period from October 1, 1999
through December 31, 1999, in violation of Section 86117.

RESPONDENTS: Governmental Impact and Jim Dantona

SUMMARY OF THE LAW
The Act requires registration and reporting by individuals and entities that make or receive
payments for the purpose of influencing decisions of the State Legislature and state administrative
agencies under the lobbying provisions contained in Sections 86100 through 86300.

Pursuant to Section 82039, a “lobbyist” is an individual who receives $2,000 or more in
economic consideration in a calendar month, other than reimbursement for reasonable travel expenses,
or whose principal duties as an employee are to communicate directly or through his or her agents with any elective state official, agency official, or legislative official for the purpose of influencing legislative
or administrative action.

Section 82038.5 defines a “lobbying firm” as a business entity that is compensated and
communicates directly with legislative or state agency officials to influence legislative or administrative action on behalf of any client and any partner, owner, officer, or employee of the business entity is a
lobbyist.

Each lobbyist must complete a Lobbyist Report, Form 615, for each calendar quarter, regardless
of the lobbyist’s activity, and whether or not the lobbyist has received or made any payments during the calendar quarter. (Section 86113.) A lobbying firm is required to file a Report of Lobbying Firm, Form 625, for each calendar quarter whether or not the lobbying firm has received or made any payments during the calendar quarter. The lobbying firm must attach to its Form 625, a Lobbyist Report, Form 615, completed for each partner, owner, officer, or employee of the lobbying firm who qualifies as a 1 The Political Reform Act (“Act”) is contained in Government Code sections 81000 through 91014. All references to “Section(s)” are to the aforementioned Government Code unless otherwise indicated. Commission regulations appear at Title
2, California Code of Regulations, section 18109, et seq.FPPC 00/733, Governmental Impact- Exhibit 1 -2- lobbyist. (Section 86114.) Pursuant to Section 86117, the lobbying firm report must be filed during themonth following the end of each calendar quarter.

SUMMARY OF THE EVIDENCE
On July 10, 2000, the Secretary of State’s office (SOS) referred Respondents Governmental
Impact and Jim Dantona to the Commission’s Enforcement Division for their failure to file two
quarterly lobbying reports. The reports were for the periods from July 1, 1999 through September 30, 1999, and from October 1, 1999 through December 31, 1999.SOS sent several letters to the respondents in an effort to have them file the quarterly reports prior to the referral. Governmental Impact is required to file a Form 625 disclosing payments received from and made on behalf of its lobbying clients. Jim Dantona is required to file a lobbyist report, Form 615, disclosing his lobbying activity expenses and campaign contributions he makes in a given quarter.

On November 6, 2000, Commission staff spoke with Respondent Dantona on the phone about
the delinquent filings. Mr. Dantona admitted receiving the SOS notices, but stated that he thought hehad filed the reports. He agreed to contact SOS and refile the reports if necessary.
On April 27, 2001, Commission staff contacted Mr. Dantona about the lobbying reports. Mr.
Dantona stated that he had been working with SOS on the non-filings and hired a consultant in
Sacramento to assist him. Mr. Dantona stated that he believed that he filed the reports on time, but
refiled them on February 1, 2001 after his consultant’s meetings with SOS. His delay in filing was partially based on his belief that the reports were already filed. He also relocated his office during this time and copies of the reports at issue were located offsite in a storage facility.

The lobbying firm reports for the periods from July 1, 1999 through September 30, 1999 and
October 1, 1999 through December 31, 1999, were filed on February 1, 2001. The third quarter reportdisclosed lobbying activity totaling $60,506.36 and was signed by Mr. Dantona on October 30, 1999.

Mr. Dantona’s Form 615 report was attached and disclosed no activity. The fourth quarter report
disclosed that no lobbying payments were made or received during that quarter. Mr. Dantona’s Form
615 report likewise disclosed no activity for that quarter. The latter two reports were signed on December 31, 1999.

CONCLUSION
Based on the foregoing, Respondents should have filed the 1999 third and fourth quarter
lobbying reports by October 31, 1999 and January 31, 2000, respectively.

Respondents violated the Act
by failing to timely file these reports. Respondents received several letters from SOS regarding the nonfiling, but did not file the reports until February 1, 2001. Respondent Dantona mistakenly believed that the reports at issue had already been filed.

This matter consists of two counts which carry a maximum possible administrative fine of Four
Thousand dollars ($4,000.00). The facts of this case, including the mitigating and aggravating factors discussed above, justify imposition of the agreed upon fine of Two Thousand dollars ($2,000.00).

Mr. Ochs:

Your response is joke. It's up to me to disprove your attack now...

You may not know this, but in this country one is innocent until proven guilty. We have somthing called burden of proof in arguments where someone who makes a claim has to prove their claim.

Since GS and you have made this claim, you need to prove it to be true.

If I went by your logic, you probably believe in aliens as no one has disproved the existence of aliens either...

So, why don't you both prove your charge for once? What's laughable is the fact that this is the same playbook that you people did six months ago. Let's raise all these charges of criminality on a blog that we can't back up.

That's pathetic.

GS--

You never answered my question. Why are you dodging it?

You said, "And yet the charges come from the Secretary of State, are easily available to anyone with internet access and no one's defending Mr Foy, instead they're simply attacking the messenger to deflect inquiry about the charges. Fact is, running an illicit charity scheme is a criminal offense, NOT a campaign issue. The campaign issue is Mr Foy's character and ability to manage the taxpayers' money."

I asked you to back it up. Back up that it was an illicit charity? What proof do you have?

You even said this is about Foy's character. So stop with the character assassination and bring the facts to bear.

I'm sick of this show trial by blog garbage...

Sorry SPALNP, but the only claim I made was that the Secretary of State suspended the Peter C Foy Foundation and its right to do business for failing to file returns for four years straight. That's not an indictment but a statement of fact OR an oversight by the Secretary of State himself. Are you denying the Foundation was suspended? Are you saying the Secretary of State is incorrect and that all those donations are still legitimate tax deductions?

Either way I don't care. What I do care is that Mr Foy's held himself out to the Voters as a capable financial admnistrator who should be trusted to handle the Taxpayers' money better than anyone else running for that office. The State of California's suspension says something totally at odds with Mr Foy's claim. Now you and Mr Foy's handlers are trying to hide this conflict from the Voters so that they can't make an informed decision on Election Day, and that simply indicates the twisted sort of community values that Mr Foy and his extremist supporters hope to bring to this Community.

Well, welcome to Democracy, SPALNP, I know you extremists can't stand it but it's a part of our Community Values, deal with it.

By all means, Dantona Playbook, Jim Dantona should also explain himself. The best place to do that is at a public forum so that we can ALL hear what both candidates have to say about these issues and more. How much fairer can we be? I suggest we hold one night of discussions in Moorpark/Somis area and another followup around Simi Valley. It can be easily and quaickly arranged and the Voters can ask quesyions and help put these issues to bed. How about it?

Since you're part of the Foy team you can get an answer by noon.

SG, the proof is available at the Secretary or State's office. You already know that. And as for "character assassination", it's more rightly called "character suicide" since I didn't make the claim that Foy is the best man for the job as county administrator yet fail to properly manage his own foundation's financial obligations, HE did!

So let's start from the beginning with a clean sheet. I've no claims that Mr Foy or his Foundation committed any criminal acts and I apologize that you might think I did. My claim is that the Secretary of State's suspension of the Foundation's right to do business and the subsequent questions raised by that suspension sheds a certain light on Mr Foy's character in so much as it relates to his ability to manage the County's affairs. Is that not so? And isn't this a valid issue for the Voters to consider?

GS:

It absolutely is a valid issue, just as the bankruptcies and FPPC fines are relevent for evaluating Dantona for fiscal management.

I appreciate the honesty of your last post. I'm neither a supporter or a detractor at this point, but was just pointing out that I saw the same playbook I just saw months ago.

I'm not stupid and it appears Dantona thinks I have no memory.

Tomorrow, I will submit an inquest to the Secretary of State to find out why his foundation was suspended. I will report back to this blog what occurred.

I would have hoped Dantona would have done this before putting it into the public sphere, but knowing him, he probably led with the charge, knows the reason why it was suspended, and is waiting to get a week of media and blog attention before we find out there isn't anything there.

It's called dragging a non-story out and is generally used in the half-information way to go for independent voters. It's a very manipulati--- persuasive method.

He also knows he's not the best financial manager either, so attacking the fitness question of Foy is a key move for him. He wants the voter to not be able to tell a difference on the financial management question.

See, Jim Dantona I know your games. There is nothing worse than having another magician point out your tricks.

As a voter, it is important for me to evaluate this information as well.

Until then, I would hope that the J'accuse blog show trial would stop until we have all the facts or at least the number one fact as to why the Secretary of State suspended. Without the "why" everything is speculation and wouldn't you agree, irresponsible?

Dantona obviously withheld the "why" answer, so he could have people like you talk about it for a week or so.

GS: If there is nothing there, then will you expect Dantona to publicly apologize to Foy for playing this gambit and manipulating the voters?

Paraphrasing the most famous playbook of them all,

It depends on your meaning of 'If there is nothing there.'

Playbook... Are you a first-time voter? If not, stop pretending to be so surpised that a Dantona supporter would DARE point out allegations of wrongdoing on Dantona's opponent. I don't know how elections work in Fantasyland, but EVERY politician in America has got the same playbook.

If you are a first-time voter... er, welcome to the jungle.

Of course, with all the noise and hubbub... the Foy people have avoided adressing WHY Foy's group is suspended by the SOS and WHY he's still doing business.

Paying a fine for a late submittal of campaign paperwork is not a crime. In fact it is unfortunately quite common in politics and the fact that two fines show up in Dantona's 30+ years of governmental work shows he has actually been extremely efficient. The information above clearly states that he filed the information within a month and paid the fines.

The last time I looked, refusal to file or pay taxes for four years and soliciting "tax-deductible" donations for an organization that is not recognized as such was a CRIME.

By the way, the Foy Playbook is to talk about nothing and be "annointed" not "elected" becuase he is registered as a Republican. Her dons clean white gloves while pretending to be a farmer, not an insurance salesman, then whacks away at illegal immigration and ethics (audible laugh here).

This is one Republican who is not fooled by his hijinx - and neither should you be.

It's true about late filings being common in campaigns. Even Foy's extremely limited history in politics has already seen him cited for late filings. But the point now should be to let the Voters hear from both candidates so they can decide for themselves which candidate should adminster the County's financial interests.

C'mon GS--

Dantona is back to the same ole same ole. I'll be calling the Secreatry of State's office to get all the facts for the blog. If it's bad, I'll even condemn it, but Dantona purposely not disclosing why the foundation was suspended and allowing his NKVD to go to work with the hatchet is suspicious.

I love the insertion of motives here without the facts that are in the public domain...

"The last time I looked, refusal to file or pay taxes for four years and soliciting "tax-deductible" donations for an organization that is not recognized as such was a CRIME."

GS-- Do you have proof to back-up this comment from "clarity"? If you don't, is it irresponsible to make the claim without the facts?

I hope that if this is a total non-issue that you will personally ask Dantona and his political puke squad here to retract their statements and apologize.

I know that's not Dantona's style though. I'm sure he already has a mailer together whether it's true or not.

GS--

You said in a previous post, "Today's full page ad sure ain't about an oversight! THE STAR is running a blistering announcement about the Peter C. Foy Foundation's apparent incompetence or dishonesty...I'm not sure which it'll turn out to be. Maybe Mr Foy can explain?"

I can't find the Star article on this anymore. Did the Star run a story or was this an advertisement?

If this was an ad, who paid for it? My bet is some shell group like Republicans for Ethical Government, which weren't too ethical when it came to filing their reports...

Maybe, you can post the ad into this blog if you still have it. The links don't have it anymore.

Why don't you also call Mr. Foy and ask him? I bet he would explain his point of view.

Also, if there was a debate between the two this topic among many could be discussed. Who do you think is stopping the debate from happening?

I can't believe that local hacks have lined up to kiss Mr. Foy's ring. Being that Mr. Foy hasn't discussed to the general public more than soundbites I wonder what he told them?

Why does the Simi Valley Coty Council get to know more than the avaerage voter? I wonder if they know the explanation of the charity stuff? If not, did they really endorse blindly? I would hope they weren't so partisan as to know ask tough questions. If, and this is a big if, allegation after allegation are proven true I would imagine a future candidate would hold it against our "wise" city leaders for not asking tough questions. I would hope they aren't robots. Otherwise, what trust would we have that they are spending our money wisely if the contractor was a Republican?

Maybe they should hold off on endorsing every randon Republican that runs through town.

Can someone post the content of the ad for everyone to see. If you have it just type in the text and describe what you se in a fair non-partisan way.

Thanks, Brian

I saw it. It was your typical paid-for political attack ad, paid for by Dantona supporters and some guy who runs a quasi citizens PAC. These ads get no oversight, and the paper doesn't fact check them. They are more of the same gutter politics that the Dantona-Grey Davis-Dave Roberti-Bob Mulholland smear machine is known for. All the left wing loonies will beat their chests about Foy while trying to sweep all of Dantona's failures under the rug.

Watch for Foy to be accused of ripping the tags off mattresses next, it's all the smear machine's got left.

Yes. It was an attack ad and it was run by Dantona supporters. We know that. Yet it appears to be true statements from the Secretary of State. What we're all wondering about now is whether the Foundation's problems should be a factor to consider when Voters go to the polls.

I say a public discussion by both candidates would be appropriate at this point.

Beyond the clear problem that Mr. Foy is incompetent in his administration of his non-profit (not that he files late, he doesn't file at all according to the state), he is putting other companies and individuals in danger.

Aren't people donating to his non-profit and taking deductions on their taxes for their donations? If they are, aren't they running the risk of having the IRS investigate those who thought they were donating to a legitimate 501c3, but due to Mr. Foy, could not legally take a deduction for their donation?

If Mr. Foy is putting himself at risk, fine that's his problem, but putting well intentioned people at risk of having to deal with the government is truly, truly sad. Again shame on Mr. Foy.

The more we find out about Mr. Foy the worse it gets.

His or his supporter's attempt to deflect the clear problem with Mr. Foy, by claiming negative campaigning, is clear to every person reading this blog that you have no response to the blatant "law-doesn't-apply-to-me" attitude of Mr. Foy.

Do you folks actually believe what you write, or is it your stock in trade to attack with innuendo and no proof? Got any evidence of any tax problem? No. Got any evidence or any donations not going where they're supposed to? No. Got any evidence of anyone not getting the proper deduction? No. Has Foy's Foundation still got 501c3 status? Yes.

So until you get some real evidence of actual wrongdoing we'll just consider you all as the Dantona Campaign's blog team.

Get some proof of anything besides a clerical error from 5 years ago, maybe someone will listen to you. Though it's not likely after this.

Which local kingmaker has the egg on his face after picking this empty suit to run against Mikels and Dantona?

I didn't know Foy was also ripping of mattress tags. Isn't that against the law? The tags certainly say so...
And on another subject for the Yawnnnnnnnnnn poster, I personally checked with the Secretary of State, and NO, I repeat NO. The Foy Foundation's 501c3 status is suspended! My place of work received a letter requesting a donation to the Foundation. I also thought it was interesting that the foundation was requesting monies for charities in THE OTHER VALLEY and that the address was from Woodland Hills. Just who in Simi Valley or Ventura county for that matter was going to benefit from this donation? In checking with the State, they advised that his foundation was suspended and we would not be allowed the tax deduction.
And as far as "Proof" is concerned, I would be more than happy to send the correspondence from the State to Yawannnnnnnnn, or this blog. ACtually, I would prefer to send it to the blog, at least they will admit they got it.

Dear Yawnnnnn,

Since you are the very first person to claim there is a question of where Foy's donations are going, please enlighten us as to what you might know about any alledged problem of where those "donations" have ended up. I don't believe there's been any wrongdoing in regards to diverting those donations to other, nefarious uses...only that Mr Foy failed to exhibit even the most basic management skills in the operation of his Foundation. But please enlighten us if you've heard something that we haven't.

I would like some information on "Farmer Foy's", so can anyone out there help me?
Who does Farmer Foy pay to work his farm land?

FARMER FOY! HE WILL LIVE TO REGRET PRETENDING TO BE A FARMER! VOTERS AREN'T IDIOTS AND THEY DON'T VOTE OF OFF BALLOT TITLES FOR IMPORTANT POSITIONS.

Link.

Bwilliamson--

I sure hope we can see your letter. Check out the above link.

It says the Foy Foundation is "active" as of 9/15/06, which was the same day as Dantona ran his GS described "attack ad", I think.

A couple other things. First, you stated the secretary of state removed Peter Foy's 501(3)C status. How can the Secretary of State of California remove something in the federal income tax code? I thought the Secretary of State was more or less in charge of the state seal and couldn't just rewrite the Tax code?

You also stated, "In checking with the State, they advised that his foundation was suspended and we would not be allowed the tax deduction." I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, but please explain the discrepency with the facts as the link above points out.

I'm actually surprised the Secretary of State's office gave tax advice to your organization and didn't defer you to the State Franchise Tax Board or the IRS to make the determination.

Also, according to the IRS, "Deductibility of contributions to a private foundation is more limited than deductibility of contributions to a public charity"

This may have been what was meant when you made such an honorable donation to Peter Foy's Foundation, which I believe to be a real sign of honor on your part. Most would just attack without the facts like on this blog, but showing your interest to give to important causes no matter political differences casts a ray of hope on our community.

I look forward to a discussion of the facts related to the matter and the link I just provided. And, I certainly look forward to your letter being posted.

GS: Do you think you owe Foy an apology for your premature attacks on Foy's character or do you all have any more evidence we should consider?

This was just updated because three days ago it was definitely SUSPENDED.

Sorry Playbook, all it means is that Mr Foy's handlers have been racing in overdrive to get paperwork filed so the supsension could be lifted, something Mr Foy could have avoided had he filed his foundation paperwork in 2001, 2002, 2003 & 2004. I'll give him this much....just before he announced he was running for office he did file a 2005 foundation return.

Thanks Dantona Playbook for the evidence many of us have been looking for to make a reasonable argument.

I've posted a link as well. For the record it claims Dantona & Associates is currently "suspended" by the Secretary of State.

Now, I could attack the man's character all day and jump to conclusions galore, but I'm sure there is a reasonable answer for this suspension. It would be absolutely irresponsible of me to draw conclusions about this, so I won't.

We all have mistakes, foul-ups, screw-ups, or miscalculations. We must be quick to forgive and move on. We have a county to run. We have families to raise, and a great country to love and serve.

I'm formally asking both campaigns to take a no attacks pledge and let's give the people what they deserve. A real campaign about our challenges.

We must move beyond our foibles and start talking about what we as a society can do better.

I request no explaination from Dantona nor do I care. To attack someone's weaknesses only unfolds your own failures and insecurities. Let us start talking about building our future together.

God Bless You all no matter who you support.

How many donations has Dantona & Associates collected while suspended? Is D & A suspended because its no longer doing business, which is what heppens to a firm once it stops doing business under that name? After all, Mr Fopy's foundation WAS doing business while suspended which is a whole different matter.

I refuse to make a conclusion. It would be irresponsible.

Same Person should define what attack means. If someone has gone bankrupt 34 times would that be something that could be brought up under your speech code?

It seems that one candidate doesn't want to debate and SP is fine with that. SP just wants bland mailers saying candidate X supports education and is against fire/crime.

Please Define. Gove specifics.

Yawnnnn,
Isn't it funny that Mr. Foy Paid the money and filed the documents to the Secretary of State the same day the ad hit. They received the check 4 DAYS PREVIOUS. So they solicited Barbara Williamson's Bank and others while suspended.
They call that ILLEGAL. So next time try and really search the facts. NICE TRY CLOWN.

It WOULD be negative campaigning if I charged a candidate member of AA with being a drunk, even though he hadn't had a drink in 15 years. It WOULD NOT be negative campaigning if I charged a candidate with drunkeness if he was found sprawled in the gutter, after last night's binge.

The former is indeed DIRTY POLITICS. The latter is an APPROPRIATE WARNING to Voters. And trying to stifle discussion of the drunk candidate's condition is quaintly called STEALTH CAMPAIGNING. It used to be called ELECTION FRAUD.

Anyone else find it amusing that Dantona is attacking a foundation that raises money for TOYS FOR CHILDREN?

Let it be known that Dantona opposes more toys for needy children. Yikes.

No one's hit the PCF Foundation for helping kids. You're tossing out a red herring rather than explain the real issue here. I applaud all chritable undertakings, even those that are too incompetent to explain what they've raised and where they've spent it but I'll be damned if I'll allow the incompetent head of a charity get away with claiming to be a an able manager of my tax money. Before he can do that he's got to stand up and answer some pretty tough questions...including where he's spent the money he's failed to report (something he should have done since 2001).

Make no mistake, the PCF Foundation's problem is an issue that it created...not the Secretary of State nor Dantona's supporters...and only the Foundation's leader can fix it.

Its also interesting that another non-profit group Foy's been involved with has refused to file their
returns or discuss the details of their fundraising and spending. The Council For National Policy has even had Lott, Delay and other member/legislators lean on the IRS to pull the plug on their ivestigation. Is this just part of a new trend with extremist groups: to refuse to obey the law?

Mr. Dantona does know what it takes to run a non-profit that helps children. He knows how hard it is to raise the money. He knows all the pain you have to go through to help people.

He also knows how to file the correct paperwork and do all the proper things associated with running an organization - required by the laws of our country.

If Mr. Foy just wanted to go out and give toys to children without raising money or without taking donations he could do that, but at some point he decided to lead an organization and along that line he failed to be a responsible leader to that organization and let this organization become suspended.

Mr. Foy apparently wants to do things outside the rules and laws that govern all of us. Mr. Dantona has had to answer before about his non-profit and has always passed with flying colors. That's because Mr. Dantona is a responsible leader to his organization.

If you are okay with a person who solicits and accepts donations outside the law, that is your perogative. I choose to use that as a guiding tool to the person's ability to lead and so far Mr. Foy has shown no true leadership abilities.

Thought this would be of interest to "Dantona Playbook":
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PETER C. FOY & ASSOCIATES, SI-2000/426, (2000)

84203 – One (1) count
$1,500 fine

Peter C. Foy & Associates of Woodland Hills failed to file a late contribution report during the March 7, 2000, primary election.
***
If this as serious as you suggest above, then Mr. Foy is guilty here as well as with his non-profit. If not, then Mr. Dantona is in the clear as well, especially since your information clearly states that he DID file late. Foy's information says he failed to file at all- just like his Foundation

Mr Foy and Handlers.

We know that you pay attention to this blog. When will you be prepared to meet with your opponent to discuss the issues facing Ventura County, including the qualifications of both candidates? Just so that you know, Jim Dantona has already agreed to appear at any public forum sponsored by the League of Women Voters.

Foy has had a residence in Simi since the mid '80s, but he appears to have never done anything to contribute to this community - unless it has been since he decided to declare his candidacy in this supervisorial race.

His real interests have always been elsewhere, but once local political hacks saw that Dantona was likely to defeat Mikels, they played to his ego to get him to jump in at the last minute. His real agenda is to position himself for coronation to Elton's seat in congress in two years.

He did sneak into the runoff with Dantona with a stealth campaign that included vicious sniping at the gullible incumbent on law and order and other matters. However, a one-on-one matchup with Dantona is a totally different game for which his handlers know he will have great difficulty competing.

Stay tuned folks . . .

Garibaldi,

Is there any reason to believe Foy's handlers were behind the attacks on Mikels because she had sponsored a proclamation supporting a Gay Rights parade?

Despite the rants, Foy's Foundation continues to be considered "active" with the Secretary of State.

GS:

Are you saying the Secretary of State is knowingly ignoring the State Franchise Board and posting "active" on their website?

I think you need to use Delay and CNP in your response, though. I think everything ties back to that...

Do you believe the government is covering up the existence of extraterrestrials?

Is Elvis still alive?

Barbra-- Is GS's opinions the opinions of Jim Dantona's campaign as well?

Oh, and-- Can you post that letter from the Secretary of State?

I think CNP is behind you not posting your letter yet. It's a big gall darn conspiracy... I tell you. J/K.

Have a great night.

Congrats to Peter Foy's backers on realizing that Mr. Foy completely bungled something else in his background and doing their best to correct the problem after an outside group realized Foy's foundation was breaking the law.

It still doesn't change the fact that if he hadn't made the runoff he wouldn't have corrected anything - again scoffing at the law.

We had every right to talk about Clinton breaking the law, when he lied under oath? And we have every right and responsibility to talk about Mr. Foy's breaking of the law. If Mr. Foy wanted to go unnoticed in his dismissal of the laws of this state he shouldn't have run for public office.

SG, You're delierately missing the point, which is, Mr Foy's failure to file four consecutive years worth of tax returns and thus placing a lot of innocent donors' own tax returns in jeopardy stands in complete contrast to Mr Foy's attempt to convince the Voters that he's capable of administering their tax dollars. Either Mr Foy is lying about his qualifications for the office of Supervisor or he is incompetent. Which one is it?

who is CNP?
Go BACK and look at the ad VERY careful. It has information from the Secretary of State and the Franchise Tax....Do the words SUSPENDED mean anything to you?

Dear Dantona Playbook, Same Person Acting Like New Person, Rerun, James Carville, SG, Mr. Ochs,Yawn, What IS is, Get Real Once Again, Update, and other assorted Foy handlers, et al.

You conveniently and disingenuously avoid the facts.

First, Mr. Foy, on his very own website proudly proclaims that he is "President of the Peter C. Foy Foundation." Are not presidents of organizations ultimately responsible for the good, the bad and ugly business conduct of their own organizations?

Second, by his very own hand, Foy recently signed and mailed scores of letters brazenly soliciting tax deductible charitable contributions for his foundation more than four years after the FTB notified him that he had failed to file tax returns for the years 2001, 2002, 2003 and 2004, and more than two years after his non-profit corporation status was SUSPENDED by the Secretary of State's Office for failing to obey the law. What is it about the term "No one is above the law," don't you understand?

And, thirdly, in a shameful act, dripping with personal and professional deceit, Mr. Foy knowlingly failed to advise potential donors that he had not filed the requisite paperwork with both the FTB and Secretary of State's Office, and hence had no legal authority or standing to solicit such charitable, tax-deductible contributions, nor were any contributions made during this period legitimately tax deductible under the law.

You may flail, flagellate and flounder all you wish, but the sad fact remains this was not an act of an honorable man, let alone a responsible officer of a charitable foundation. You may find Mr. Foy's personal and professional behavior in this matter acceptable, but I assure you, come November 7th, a majority of voters in the 4th District will not.

As Scripture teaches us, "...You will know a man by his deeds.." and Mr. Foy's reprehensible deeds in this matter speak louder and more convincingly than any of the trite phrases uttered in his defense by all of you on this blog.

Theodosius

Check the link... It still says "active". What part of "active" do you people not understand?

Funny, the only facts you seem to produce is your own sad advertisment as proof. Where is the letter from the Secretary of State?

Actually judging from reactions, you people just reminded everyone why most people didn't vote for Dantona last time. Good job.

Neither did most people vote for Mr Foy. However, if you're counting on Most People Who Have No Clue and Most People Who Have No Scruples voting Mr Foy into office in November, I'm certain you'll find they aren't enough to put him in the Supervisor's office.

Funny, this whole thing seems to be playing out exactly as I predicted with Team Dantona going into full-tilt smear mode. Sometimes I hate being right. Oh well.

Getting Real Once Again and Bubba Kidd --

You guys crack me up. GROA's logic:
1. Foy says his charity gives stuff to kids.
2. A politician said it so it must be true.
3. Dantona supporter points out financial shenanigans.
4. Thusly, Dantona opposes kids.

And Bubba's logic is that between:
1. The guy who cheated the state, and
2. The guy who pointed it out...
He'd choose #1.

If you saw a guy run out of a bank with a gun and mask, holding a sack of money... and the bank manager ran out and said, "Hey -- that guy just robbed my bank," would you tell the Bank manager to stop his smear campaign?

Just a quick update on reality.

Foy's Foundation is still "active".

Update,

When was it re-activated? Can you please tell us? Or can you tell us how long it was "suspended"?

You guys are ridiculous. If you want to dredge up dirt on Foy's charity then why don't we discuss Jim Danona's bankrupcies? Do we really want somebody making decisions on the county budget that filed for both personal bankruptcy and also bankrupted his business?

You Dantona guys can't have it both ways by slinging mud one way and then crying foul when it comes flying the other way. These posts by the Dantona supporters are so blatantly biased and one-sided as to be laughable. So in the interest of fairness and equal time I'll demonstrate how this works the other way. Here goes...

I have a question for the Dantona gang. How come Jim Dantona has his younger brother John Dantona and John Dantona's wife working full-time on the payroll for his BAD charity organization? Should a charity organization be providing full-time employement to family members? Seems a little questionable to me. I also noticed that John spends a lot of time running around town campaigning for his brother? Is Dantona's charity organization putting people on the payroll who are essentially operating Dantona campaign staffers? It sure seems like that.

So now, if we want to start dredging up dirt then let's make sure it goes both ways because there is plenty to go around and Jim Dantona isn't exactly squeaky clean himself.

Wow!!! This last comment is pretty telling.

GS broke this story on this blog on September 15th.

"Today's full page ad sure ain't about an oversight! THE STAR is running a blistering announcement about the Peter C. Foy Foundation's apparent incompetence or dishonesty...I'm not sure which it'll turn out to be. Maybe Mr Foy can explain?"

The person that first reported this story on this blog was run by the Star, then we found out it was an ad, doesn't know basic questions. What a blunder.... Keep in mind that on the 15th, Foy's Foundation was considered "active". GS knew this and continued to say it was incompetence or dishonesty.

Maybe, a letter from the Secretary of State that was talked about would tell us more detail. Of course, this keeps being withheld for some strange reason. Does it exist?

Typical Dantona team, trying to keep a story alive antics...

I think last friday will go down as a campaign blunder for Dantona as they clearly don't know the facts and don't even understand the current active status or provide evidence to the contrary.

Even the Star won't run their stories anymore without a down-payment...

Maybe, it's time for another sympathy mailer.

Hmmm. On the one hand, a man that was overcome with the fallout from a health tragedy and took the tough but LEGAL way out and has since then spent decades building a successful business and working with the community.

On the other hand, a man that seems able to make plenty of money yet can't seem to pay off debts or file his foundation's taxes, then uses the success of a charity that was (until a few days ago, it seems) operating ILLEGALLY as the basis for his claim to be the best man to handle the County's finances.

Hmmm. Which one should I choose to handle the County's paperwork, audit its departments, approve or deny funding for things of intersest to me. Gee. I can't make up my mind, so like Bubba I'll vote for the guy that won't discuss ANY issues!

Well, Bubba, you and the people like you are what's terribly wrong with this country today.

Dantona Playbook,

What letter? The only letter mentioned was the one Barbara Williamson received from Mr Foy, asking for a charitable donation. So maybe there's another letter we don't know about but that YOU and the Foy handlers have and just weren't smart enough to keep quiet about? Why not show it to us? Or is there something from the Sec of State that you don't want us to see?

We all saw the CA Business Portal website and prior to the day after you handlers saw the ad the Foundation's status was SUSPENDED. It was only re-activated AFTER the ad appeared. Coincidence or a panicked move by the Foundation's accountant?

Gary, you have no credibility until you start acting with some eithics. First you claimed that the Star was going to publish some damaging information about Foy, but the reality was that what was published was a POLITICAL AD, not an article. Yet you keep chanting these allegations as though they are truth instead of what they are, which is unsubstantiated insinuation. There have been repeated requests for you to provide some backup, yet you keep acting as if making an allegation is proof and that the accused needs to prove their innocence instead of the other way around. Sorry, but a political attack at does not constitute proof of anything. You have the burden of proof, not the other way around.

You also continue to dismiss Dantona's bankruptcy as no big deal. Jim Dantona hurt a lot of local individuals with his bankruptcy. It is a legitimate question to wonder if someone who can't manage their personal finances can manage the taxpayer's finances. Jim Dantona has refuse to release any information on the alleged "health issues" that he continues to cite as the cause of his bankruptcy. He claims it is a confidential matter that he won't discuss publically. The problem is that we really don't know if that's the truth, yet he continues to hide behind it. That excuse is a cop-out and you know it.

And I also noticed that you didn't reply to the fact that Jim Dantona is employing family members through is charity organization, and that those people are also actively working on his campaign. Seems to me that you'd be making all kinds of allegations if Peter Foy was doing this, but again that just exposes your hypocricy.

GS--

Bwilliamson said, "And as far as "Proof" is concerned, I would be more than happy to send the correspondence from the State to Yawannnnnnnnn, or this blog. ACtually, I would prefer to send it to the blog, at least they will admit they got it."

Well, how about it? I'm surprised you haven't been trying to get it to bolster your argument on the blog. Instead, you keep attacking without evidence.

You said, "Fact is, running an illicit charity scheme is a criminal offense, NOT a campaign issue." Well, if this is a criminal issue and you didn't provide any evidence, or allow the other side to see the evidence, this case would be dismissed.

Kind of ironic that I said, maybe the Dantona campaign should send a sympathy mailer, then in your response you play the sympathy card against Bubba. You guys are so predictable. Even sympathy has become politicized by the Dantona team.

This is just an update in case GS is right and the Secretary of State's office moves with rapid efficiency for once to protect the interests of Foy's shadow group.

The Foy Foundation is still "active."

I have sent an e-mail to Brian Dennert requesting his fax number so I can fax all correspondence to him for the blog. The documents consist of a letter to me, Barbra Williamson at my place of work. It is on Foy Foundation Stationary and signed my Mr. Foy. The letter is dated August 24, 2006. The second piece of information sent to Mr. Dennart is from the Franchise Tax Board, talking about the status of The Peter C. Foy Foundation, it is dated August 30, 2006, (please note the dates of each document and compare when the Foundation because "active". The letter states that the above entity was "Suspended effective 08/04/04. The thrid documents is from the Secretary of State Bruce McPherson, stating that The Peter C. Foy Foundation status is suspended. And the last doucment is a letter from the Office of Secretary of State Kevin Shelley (in office 8/04). It is a Notice of Suspension for The Peter C Foy Foundation. The letter explains that, "An entity while under suspension or forteiture CANNOT legally transact business, defend or initiate an action in court, protest assessments or file a claim for refund of amounts paid. Additionally, you forfeited your right to use the enity name." Mr. Foy is in possession of all these documents from the state and has been since 5/2/01.
The Entity Status shows tax returns were not filed from 12/02-12/03-12/4.
Again, as soon as I hear from Brian, I will fax the documents.

I stand corrected: there IS a letter from the State and apparently Mr Foy's Foundation had them yet never acted on them. Hmmm. Maybe that will convince you to ask Mr Foy to explain away the mess he's created for his Foundation?

After all, we're only asking for an explanation about an event that recently transpired and has yet to be accounted for.

Bubba,
It's amazing to me that you have all the facts about Jim Dantona's Non Profit and NONE on Foy's.
The reason is Jim Dantona has filed all Tax Returns for his organization which shows who gets paid and where money goes. But you know nothing about Mr Foy's because he never filed Tax Returns for a 501 c3. And if you were able to read, you'd see copies of the document in the Ad. If they were forged believe me the state would be after the the group. But since they are actual documents from the state you theories are as empty as your head. Speaking about the state after people who violate the Law, I understand there is an investigation going on as we speak into Mr. Peter Foy and where all his $$$ went. In addition I spoke to someone at Mattel who is outraged since they thought there contributions were Tax Deductible.
FOY HAS ALOT OF EXPLAINING TO DO !

gs,

You have taken the Dantona spin on his financial mismanagement as fact. Let's talk about the first bankruptcy where he is quoted in the Star as blaming it on an ex-wife, child support and bad management. No mention in that article of some unavoidable act of God.

If you'd like me to post the entire article I'd be glad to oblige.

Inre: The Truth Is...

Get outta here??!!

Since were into full mud-slinging mode I'd like to start with the Dantona bankruptcy. Gary's dismissal of the whole issue as being from some sort of mysterious, undocumented "health problems" just doesn't pass the smell test. If More Info has an article to post on this blog I'd like to see it. And if Gary wants to engage in an honest debate he needs to stop side-stepping this issue. It seems hypocritical to demand information from the Foy campaign while refusing to provide answers from your own candidate.

Barbra Williamson has offered all the documents to me in a fax or a pdf.

But, I don't know any way to post a pdf or a fax. If anyone knows a way to post them, please send the directions to my e-mail.

Thanks for the offer, and thanks to anyone can help me.

I also suggest someone call a full time reporter for The Star and ask them to investigate all the claims and run a story.

Sorry Bubba but I've already gone on record several times asking that both candidates appear at a public forum to discuss and explain these two issues, ie Foy's Foundation Faux Pas and Dantona's Bankruptcy. Maybe if you'd read the posts you'd have realized that much.

How bout asking your candidate, Mr Foy, to accept the League of Women Voter's offer of a public forum. Dantona's already accepted the League's invitation but the sponsors can't even get Mr Foy on the phone...only his handlers. According to them, Mr Foy already has claimed a mandate from the Voters (at 38%, with 62% NOT supporting him) and thus has no reason to answer any questions from those Voters. Doesn't that sound a lot like Cheney & Bush? Maybe Mr Foy's using the White House's own playbook and pleading the 5th?

Bubba,
You make no sense at all. Dantona has told the public everything and Foy refuses to talk. Amazing that you want every little detail on Dantona, but skip over the fact that Foy has said nothing about the Foundation his failing to file Tax Returns or Documents to the Secretary of State or anything about his VERY DARK PAST.
Bubba get a life an realize you lost with Judy Mikels and you are going to lose with Foy. Foy is an empty suit with an empty head. Dantona has a great record of achievements while Foy wants to replace the constitution with the old Testiment. Dantona WINS...........

Dear update - more appropriately "upside down." The correct statement is that Mr. Foy's organization is NOW listed as "active" by the Secretary of State because he clearly got caught and filed to be reinstated with that office after the fact. You know it, I know it, and the intelligent voter will know it.

Proper research shows that the Foundation was suspended by BOTH the Sec of State and Franchise Tax Boards. It has been operating illegally since 2004. His information has not, and still is not, available publicly as the law requires - Dantona's is.

As for the Star Brian - I'd be surprised if they did any worthwhile story at all. The Acorn is a better local paper than the Star

Okay, then will someone call ALL the newspapers and ask? As you call a paper keep us all posted on what they said by posting here.

We can all also call Mr. Foy and ask him to debate. Leave the response here to!

I received a call from Kathleen Wilson of the Star today. I will be sending her the information I am giving to this blog, So we will see just what kind of reporter Ms. Wilson is. And how accurate her story is.

Also, if you think for one moment that Mr. Foy is going join Mr. Dantona in a debate, you all must be smoken' something........

Nah, Barbra! Only that Mr Foy's refusal to HAVE a debate shows that he's HIDING something.

I find it amazing that everytime I point out the hypocricy of Dantona supporters I get accused of being a Foy supporter. During the primary I was accused repeatedly of being a Mikels operative. It just goes to show that the Dantona Gang only knows how to attack and smear, and anybody who doesn't join their little cult becomes a target. I've never made a single post supporting Mikels or Foy, I just don't like the half-truths, insinuation, and lies that I continually hear from the Dantona supporters around here.

If you guys can't engage in an intellectually honest discussion of the issues then I'll just continue to point out your hypocricy by demonstrating your double-standards. It is simply insulting to expect us to buy this one-sided political garbage on CNP and now the allegations about Foy's charity foundation while giving Dantona a free pass on his bankruptcies and hiring family members to work for his own charity organization. If you want to ask tough questions about ethics and integrity then you ask them from both sides, otherwise drop it and stop acting so self-righteous. This stuff is getting pretty predictable after the smear job that was unleashed on Mikels. If Dantona was running against Mother Teresa you'd be accusing her of being a baby killing, right-wing fascist. You guys simply have no credibility.

BubbaKidd!
Stop taking us for fools. You've already told us you wouldn't vote for Dantona and that you didn't vote for Mikels. That leaves only Foy, whom you obviosuly voted for in the Primary, yet you keep saying you're not a Foy supporter. When you can explain away THAT conundrum we may start to take you seriously.

Wrong again. Go back and look at my previous posts. I told you that I voted for none of the above and instead wrote in "Elmer Fudd". That hardly makes me a Foy supporter, and you repeating the allegation over and over doesn't make it true. Repeating the same accusation over and over and hoping it somehow sticks seems to be the M.O. of the Dantona supporters around here. But for the record I'll state it again, I am not a Foy supporter, I just don't like negative campaigning that relies primarily on distortions and false charges. Voters in the 4th district deserve a Supervisor that is better than that. You don't have to convince me that Foy is dodging the issues and refusing to debate, that much is obvious. But Dantona is also coming off as a total scoundrel with his sleazy campaign tactics.

First and Last time poster.

Bubbakidd - I don't care who you vote for, but to write in Elmer Fudd is ridiculous. How can you complain about anything when you don't take a stake in a position?

You don't even have to vote for one of the two candidates - start a campaign for an actual candidate if you don't like either, though you must realize it will be one of those two elected.

From the inside you can affect change from within that candidate's campaign or at least be taken seriously.

You call Dantona's campaign sleazy for talking about the problems of the other candidates, but when he talks about slowing growth or taking on issues - nobody takes notice, nor gives credit for it. You only take notice of the negatives he brings forward about the other candidates. Mr. Dantona, who I have met and talked to and been convinced to vote for has put forward a two-step campaign. One showing what he intends to do as County Supervisor and, against Ms. Mikels, revealed things he thought were not kosher with her decisions as an elected official. If his supporters also find fault with Mr. Foy, that is something we all need to know to make a decision.

Mr. Dantona brought forward his bankruptcies and I respect that he will not disclose his families medical issues to defend himself - he takes responsibility.

We the voting public have ourselves to blame for the style of campaigning. Look at the 100+ comments regarding an ad about Mr. Foy, versus any discussion about the blogs topics on the landfill or growth. I have been reading this blog since its inception, to call Dantona's campaign sleazy is not fair. He is simply bringing forward the issues he feels are important pro-him and anti-Mikels or Foy. If you choose to make your decisions solely on the pro portions of each candidate, great. I prefer to know as much as possible about all - and cast a ballot for someone who has a chance at being elected.

And if what is being posted is true about Foy not wanting to debate, that is a disgrace! This community has not had an opportunity to hear from either of the two candidates in a public forum. Neither is an incumbent, therefore their participation in a discussion/debate is crucial to making an informed decision. If one candidate will not participate, then that candidate made my decision simple.

Sorry for the length - as I said it was my first and last time posting. Guess I wanted to get it all out. :)

Thank you for an extremely fair missive about what's happening. As you suggest, there are faults shared by both candidates but deliberately thwarting the need for voters to be informed is perhaps the worst of them. All of us should write and call the local newspapers and let our demands for a public debate be known.

I will agree that there should be a debate. All these other allegations over the CNP and Foy's charity organization is just a distraction and it is disappointing to continue to hear this unsubstantiated junk over-and-over in this blog. But I do have to say that if Jim Dantona believes that having a debate and informing voters is important then perhaps his next full-page ad can make that point. Instead of using his campaign funds to run negative attack ads maybe he can use such a large ad to list his position on important issues and to challenge his opponent to a debate. Instead he is wasting our time by trying to convince voters to vote against the other guy instead of giving us reasons to vote for him. If Dantona really has substantive positions on the issues most voters won't know a thing about it based on the content his mailers and political ads.

BK,

What's Dantona's stand on the WMI expansion? I know you now because it was made very clear...to the voters. What about his stand on representation for homeowners in unincorporated areas? I know you know the answer to that one. Or his stand on cutting County waste? Or his stand on getting more monies for fire & emergency services? How about getting the County a fair voice in Sacramaneto?

I know you know all the answers to those issues because they've been discussed in Dantona mailings, in all the newspapers except THE STAR, and on this and other blogs. He's also discussed these thes eissues at every public event I've seen him attend as well as at small gatherings.

But you know all that, don't you. You've simply decided to keep saying over and over, "Dantona's running a negative campaign!" even as you refuse to admit that you know where he stands.

That's dishonest.

Now what do we know from Mr Foy speaking to the public? Well, we know he wants to "protect" Ventura County (presumably from invasion by Santa Barbara and maybe Kern counties) but he hasn't explained anything more about that particular soundbite.

We know he supports "community values" but he won't explain what he means by that term. Since Mr Foy's been a long time member of a very anti-American values community called the Center For National Policy, whose members also include Tom Delay, Bob Ney, Grover Norquist, Ralph Reed, Jack Abramoff, Dick Cheney, John Ashcroft, Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, Jim Jones and a host of other even worse ultra right wackos, Mr Foy's notion of "community values" scares the heck out of me.

We know that Mr Foy wants to take a close look at the budgets of every county department and cut funding for those that spend any money on illegal immigrants. That sounds great except that when you turn an illegal away from emergency room treatement for vomitting and fever you risk starting an epidemic. When you cut the Sheriff's funding for incarcerating criminal illegals you also cut back on the safety of families throughout the County. And worse, would you even trust a man to manage the County's budget when he can't even manage his own tax forms? No thanks!

As for Slow Growth. Mr Foy claims he's absolutely for it and will never take any financial support from developers. That's great! Except while as spokesman for his other suspended non-profit, More Power To You, Mr Foy advoc ates getting the State out of the business of regulating power plants and transmission lines across western lands, including parks, public lands and native reservations. According to those that have sat at events with Mr Foy and heard his speak, Mr Foy does NOT believe in any zoning restrictions. Apparently Mr Foy's idea of Slow Growth is good ONLY for us little homeowners while his developer friends will find a friend in the Supervisors office...if they can manage to get him elected. And about Mr Foy's pledge regarding developer support: he's got plenty of contractors and builders listed as donors in his County filings and he's been getting fundraising support from some local developers, if not exactly direct cash donations. But we'll hear about all that in a week or so, when folks really start paying attention.

Oh. And Foy's against illegal immigration. Why not? It's a very popular issue amongst ultra right wingers looking for push-button issues to get voters to the ballot and I'm sure Mr Foy has a long history of fightng for solutions to this issue...about 9 months all together.

Anyways, that's all I know about Foy cause he wont answer any questions. Like he claimed to the League of Women Voters recently, he doesn't need to answer questions beacuse he's already won the Supervisor's seat with a mandate. Go figure!

Let's stick to the facts. Jim Dantona recently ran a full-page ad in the Star. With all the space in that add he did not discuss his position on the WMI expansion, nor did he mention his stand on representation for homeowners in unincorporated areas, nor did he indicate specifics on his stragegy for cutting County waste, nor did he talk about his plan for getting more monies for fire & emergency services, nor did he mention getting the County a fair voice in Sacramaneto.

No, he didn't mention any of those things. Instead he utilized the space to run a negative campaign ad. Just like during the primary when his mailers and ads relied primarily on negative attacks against Judy Mikels. So instead of using the mass media to give voters a reason to vote for him, he opted to run a smear ad to tear down his opponent. And that has been typical of his campaign in both this race and the primary, and you know it because you, as one of his supporters, have perpetuated and participated in it. All anyone has to do is read your posts on this thread to see the negative smear job that is going on against Foy.

So let's get real here. If Dantona wanted to campaign on the issues he could do that at any time. And by the way, Dantona's stands on the issues, if that's what you want to call them, are just as vague as Foy. He offers no specifics, only general sound bytes responses that you would expect from most politicians. For example, how exactly is he going to get more money for public safety services? I asked Jim Dantona that question myself and his answer was that he would conduct department audits and look for cost savings that could be used to increase public safety funding. But he would specifically say how much more public safety funding he thinks is needed, he was very evasive as in answering how much waste he thinks is out there, and he wouldn't offer any specifics on what programs and services might be cut back to free up the needed funds. So you say I know his position, but his only position is that he will increase public safety funding by cutting unspecified waste from unknown programs. That's not very clear at all. At this point I'm not impressed by either candidate.

Bubba,

"A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still."

One fact is clear: Jim Dantona is the only issue that you have been focusing on since long before the primary and there is nothing here that anyone is going to say or do to convince you to do otherwise. You have found fault with every answer he has given you and ignored his tough stands on WMI expansion, development that shows no reasonable relationship to infrastructure and much else. If he could rub a magic lamp and solve all the county's problems in a flash and with no expense, it would not matter to you because Jim Dantona would have done it.

Here's an idea for you to prove your point: If you wanted to focus on the issues, why not you and some of the tens of thousands that you believe feel as you do pitch in a few pennies and run an ad in the Star? In it, you would demand - on behalf of the voters - that the candidates debate ALL the issues immediately. Ask The League of Women Voters, Time/Warner Cable, The Star, Moorpark College or some neutral third party to sponsor and run it and then see what happens.

I would be willing to bet my last farthing that Dantona would be there in a minute and coy Foy would continue to act like he was above all this nonsense of addressing any issues with voters who might ask him questions that his handlers could not answer for him.

If I am right and Foy chickens out, would even that make a diffence to you and others who feel as you do? Or would you remain "Johnny One Note?"

Bubba Bubba Bubba

You have the tenacity to spread lies about Dantona's sister-in-law and imply that you ever spoke to Dantona about anything?

Who did you say is smearing others?

Listen, I don't agree with Dantona on everything but I know the Dantona family, I know his organization - and I know you are completely out to lunch on this one. BAD does great work and I'll bet the Foy Foundation does as well.

Let's face it - it isn't the candidate's positions you don't like - it's the candidate's style. Jim Dantona style irritates you beacuse he doesn't have that phony smile like Foy or Glen Becerra or other phony politicos in this town. He is not one of the annointed 'good ol boys.' He is an individual straight talker like John McCain or our own Barbra Williamson. They take heat for acting independently as well. Jim marches to his own drummer and that's OK by me.

I've seen the work he's done first hand and that's why I got on board. That matters.

Put aside your personality clash with Dantona for 30 seconds and ask yourself honestly which candidate could really produce results for this district. An inexperienced poltical novice who refuses any public forum or debate or an experienced man who can bring his influence from Sacramento and beyond to put us on the political map.

Then, let's say we talk about issues - not personalities for awhile.

I want to talk about the issues. The fact is that that Jim Dantona has relied on a negative smear campaign since the primary election. I would love for him to discuss the issues. Perhaps he discusses his ideas in private with his supporters, but when it comes to his mailers and political ads it is usually nothing more that sleaze tactics. If he has the money to take out full-page ads in the Star why doesn't he talk about the issues instead of running negative attack ads? That was his choice and it is turning off a lot of voters. So you guys in your little cult can keep chanting his name, but unless he gives people a reason to vote for him instead of against the other guy then he will lose by a landslide in November. Dantona is the one who is setting the tone here and he has to take responsibility for allowing his campaign staff and supporters to act like scum.

BTW, the reason Foy doesn't need to debate Dantona is because Dantona's sleaze tactics have put a noose around his own neck and torpedoed any credible chance he had of actually winning this race. I'm not the one who needs to take out an ad to beg the candidates to debate. If having a debate is so important to Dantona then he wasted a golden opportunity to communicate that message to the public when he opted to run a smear ad instead.

And, for the record, this has nothing to do with personality. I've met Jim Dantona a couple of times now and he seems like a very personable guy. I want to like him but I just can't get past his sleazy campaign tactics. That has been my beef with him from the beginning and I've been very clear about that. And while I don't particularly care for Peter Foy he has certainly realized that he doesn't have to rely on negative attack ads to win. At this point all Peter Foy needs to do is sit back and watch the Dantona campaign implode on its own since his negative strategy has become a liability. I wish it weren't that way, but Dantona needs to act like the leader he claims he is and more effectively communicate to the public his vision and publically challenge his opponent to a debate. And to do that he has to stop this negative campaign nonsense and stick to the real issues in this campaign that voters care about.

On a side note, I was thinking of Jim Dantona recently as I was watching a Phil Angelides commercial. The commercial attempts to link governor Arnold with president Bush. But the negative ad makes no mention of Angelide's vision or even his name, all it does is attack his opponent. Meanwhile the governor sits on a double-digit lead in the polls and can just sit back until November and make plans for his re-election party. Angelides has failed in this campaign to build name recognition or any kind of positive image of himself. Any real ideas he has is not being communicated through the mass media because he has relied exclusively on negative ads. In the end he will lose by a wide margin because he is not getting his message out. The reason I mention this is because it parallels what I see happening with the Dantona campaign.

My prediction for November is that Foy will get 62% of the vote to 38% for Dantona. It won't even be close.

Bubba,

I wish to dedicate the lyrics of this Lorenz Hart song to you:

"Johnny could only sing one note
And the note he sings was this
Ah!

Poor Johnny one-note
sang out with "gusto"
And just overlorded the place
Poor Johnny one-note
yelled willy nilly
Until he was bleu in the face
For holding one note was his ace

Couldn’t hear the brass
Couldn’t hear the drum
He was in a class
By himself, by gum!

Poor Johnny one-note
Got in Aida
Indeed a great chance to be brave
He took his one note
Howled like the North Wind
Brought forth wind that made critics rave,
While Verdi turned round in his grave!

Couldn’t hear the flute
Or the big trombone
Ev’ry one was mute
Johnny stood alone.

Cats and dogs stopped yapping
Lions in the zoo
All were jealous of Johnny's big trill
Thunder claps stopped clapping,
Traffic ceased its roar,
And they tell us Niag’ra stood still.
He stopped the train whistles,
Boat whistles,
steam whistles,
Cop whistles,
all whistles bowed to his skill

Sing Johnny One-Note,
Sing out with "gusto" and
Just overwhelm all the crowd
Ah!
So sing Johnny One-Note, out loud!!
Sing Johnny One-Note
Sing Johnny One-Note out loud!"

I speak the truth, you Dantona guys just don't want to hear it. Just don't whine about the election results in November.

Bubba,

On both cases you have assigned the ads to the candidates, when both ads were put forward by independent third parties. The Angelides ad was done by the California Democratic Party, not the Angelides campaign. They are trying to use negatives about Bush, to smear Schwarznegger, not a great plan, but Angelides is not a great candidate.

This ad in the Star was paid for and put together by another third party who thought it very important that voters know about Mr. Foy as a person. Not using actions of another to smear Foy with, using his own actions to show the quality of the candidate. And you complain smear?

Dantona did something like 5 mailers in the primary, i think 3 of them gave his positions and his positives and two talked about the failures of the incumbent. To me that looks like a balance of promoting yourself and why you should be our representative, plus showing the reason we need a change. You choose to only see the negative parts, but as Civics Lesson pointed out that is human nature or at least our society's version of it.

Dantona's campaign hasn't even sent out a mailer for this cycle yet. So you don't know how he is going to approach this cycle. Will he compare and contrast himself with Mr. Foy, he'd be silly not to? Will he or another third party make hay out of Mr. Foy's unwillingness to debate or have a discussion, he'd be a fool not to? Again, you will probably critique that as negative or smearing another candidate.

Besides saying your the best for the job, you also need to show voters what the difference is between you and your opponent. You call that sleaze. Will 68% agree with you, I think not. But will 55% maybe, but maybe only 40% will. That's what an election is for.

Let's be honest, if Mikels had any thought that voters would take Peter Foy's non-statements seriously, she would have attacked Foy, like she attacked Dantona. She'd also be in the runoff, like Dantona Playbook and SG really wanted.

Did I just read in the Acorn that Mikels endorsed Foy? And Foy accepted that?

Great, so four years with Foy will be an extension of the 12 years with Mikels? As he said in the article she and I think very much alike.

Thank you for making it easier for the voters of this County to decide on Dantona. 72% of the voters voted against Mikels - and Foy just added Mikels to his list of supporters? Did the goofs who ran Mikels campaign get hired on as campaign management for Foy's?

There is a difference between contrasting the differences between you and your opponent versus unsubstantiated or distorted allegations. For instance, the claims about Judy Mikels living in Tucson was specious at best. The charges of Foy being involved in "criminal" activity is also way over the top. If Dantona wants to contrast the differences between him and Foy I've got no problem with that, he should. But to do that he needs to focus on what he would do different as a Supervisor, not bringing up questionable, unproven charges.

It's funny how the Dantona gang is quick to jump all over any minor issue with regard to Peter Foy's charity organization as proof of "criminal activity". But when I point out that Dantona hires family members to work for his charity, individuals who also happen to work on his campaign staff, then the same Dantona supporters cry foul. Foy has been repeatedly accused of being a right-wing extremist because of his association with CNP, but if you dare to bring up Dantona's bankruptcies the same folks dismiss it as no big deal. My problem is with the obvious double-standard and hypocricy by some people around here.

So if Dantona wants to start talking about the issues and contrasting the differences between him and his opponent then I say great. I just haven't seen him do that yet.

Incidentally, I read the Star today and noticed a second letter in as many days complaining about Jim Dantona's campaign tactics. So obviously I'm not alone in my impression of him.

Incidentally Tony, in the last election 67% of voters also voted against Jim Dantona. Foy is no fool for accepting Mikel's endorsement. If he picks up the majority of Mikel's votes he will likely receive well over 60% of votes cast in the runoff election. After Dantona's smear job on Mikels I doubt her supporters will be flocking to cast their votes for Jim Dantona. I stick by my prediction.

Bubba,

Those allegations about his brother working on his non-profit have been investigated and the Star reported there was no wrong doing. Maybe if Foy would have hired his family to help run his non-profit they would have filed the correct paperwork and never would have been suspended. Who should Mr. Dantona trust more with his non-profit than family? Nothing wrong with that.

Every time you bring up bankruptcy, nobody cries foul. People state that Mr. Dantona has already told everybody about that. Unfortunately, Mr. Foy didn't come forward with his law violations, it took a third party to do it.

Finally, you again point the finger for the ad to Dantona's campaign again when a third party took out the ad and according to Brian reported factual information. Where is the fault with that? And why keep implicating Dantona?

P.S. I know many people who have written letters to the Star about the subject angry over Mr. Foy's actions, but it appears the Star will only print the criticisms of Dantona.

And 63% voted against Foy. The only one you can derive any info about is Ms. Mikels. She had 28% of the vote for her and the rest was a referendum on her.

Those who were big supporters of Ms. Mikels will blame Mr. Dantona for her loss, though they should probably just look at the candidate. Dantona is the one who challenged her on all the issues while Foy just skated by saying nothing.

But lets be honest most folks aren't vested that highly in the candidate, in fact a large percentage won't remember who they voted for in the last election. If Ms. Mikels' devoted hardcore base was all those voters who voted for her she would have won the primary. She has a percentage base in there, but most aren't vested and may have even voted for her because she was the only woman in the race.

I don't think Dantona needs to be concerned by that endorsement. In fact, it may be a boost to him, by those who are turned off by Mikels (a substantial number).

Tony,

Re: The Star and Dantona

The answer seems to be that newspapers (large and small, daily and weekly, conservative, moderate or liberal leaning) all financially benefit from rampant development and the advertising revenue that is generated from it. Dantona is NOT the guy they can count on to guarantee that will take place. Hence, their editorial board's reluctance to give his issues much coverage and their endorsement of Mikels in the primary.

Fortunately, the voters did not buy Mikels "more of the same" approach to development, WM expansion and arrogance to constituents with differences in opinion as to how THEIR community should be governed. I suspect that her endorsement of Foy will do as little to help him with the majority of her supporters as his "rose garden" approach to campaigning.

If Mikels is supporting Foy then she's more of a fool than we thought, not to know that Foy's handlers are the ones that made a big stink about her support for a Gay Parade declaration (as well as the WMI scandal). Yet Foy's own political pals have been blasted by conservative critics for trying to sneak pro-gay and pro-abortion candidates into office. Talk about hypocrisy! Mr Foy, upstanding supporter of community values on the outside yet something a bit more sinister inside? Even capoliticalnews.com (conservative insider newsletter) rates Dantona higher than Foy on values.

You guys are really reaching for straws if you believe that the Star is biased against your candidate. Like most of the allegations you guys like to make this is pure fiction with no evidence to back it up. I read letter to the editor all the time from people like Gary and his wife and the Star doesn't seem to have any problem publishing them. Get real. If Dantona loses the election in November he should blame his campaign strategy, not the local newspaper.

What a joke Gary. Again you are deliberately distorting the truth. Foy was opposed to the use of public funds for a gay pride festival. That doesn't mean he is anti-gay or opposed to gays holding public office. You try to turn even the most trivial things into something "sinister". This once again demonstrates the ongoing smear job that you guys love to execute against anyone that gets in your way. The only thing sinister going on is how you so casually resort to twisting the facts whenever convenient to advance your cause.

Wow Bubba, nice stretch! No one said that Dantona will lose because the paper gives more coverage to one than the other.

And even if Dantona lost, no one would blame the newspaper. It's a part of a campaign but not the biggest part. Meeting people will carry a lot more weight than an opinion or article in a newspaper. I was only contradicting your point that people didn't like the ad in the paper with a point that there are those that the Star isn't printing who thought that was a large strike against Mr. Foy, but have not seen the light of day in the paper.

After Barbara sent the info to the paper we'll see if that stimulates an article, as it should. Brian confirmed the information was legitimate and a candidate's breaking of the law is a valid story for an informed community.

I could be wrong but I didn't think the issue that kileld Mikels's reelection had anything to do with spending taxpayer money on a gay festival. My recolection was that Mikels simply promoted a county proclamation in support of that festival..nothing that would have cost the taxpayers. Maybe the extremists that are supporting Mr Foy simply waged a negative campaign to make voters think Mikels was preparing to spend their money...which would be deliberately distorting the truth, wouldn't it?

If it is a valid story then the Star should run with it. But also keep in mind that during the primary the Star did refuse to publish accusations that were made by a former Mikels staffer because it was hearsay and could not be corroburated. I think that newspapers and other media outlets have a responsibility to fully vet their information to insure that accusations have merit before they are published. Hopefully the Star will do its due diligence, especially given the potential implications on the outcome of a political race.

I think you should be willing to agree that at the very least the accusations must be fully investigated and the other side given the opportunity to respond before running with a news story. If someone was making an accusation against you then you would want the same consideration. At this point I'm not willing to accept the claims that Foy broke the law since the only source for the time being is from Dantona supporters. If an independent, objective news organization collected all the facts and did a report then I would believe it. But for now it is just an accusation and nothing more. I'll wait for the facts to emerge before jumping to conclusions on this issue.

Morning Everyone,
I would like to change directions here for a minute and run something up the flag pole...ok?
It seems there are approximately 600 cities in the US that have drafted a city ordinance where it is prohibited to rent or lease property to illegal aliens. Any property owner or renter/tenant/lessee in control of property, who knowingly allows illegal aliens to use, rent or lease their property shall be in violation of the law, and be fined serverly. The ordinance goes on to say that any for-profit enity, including acts committed by its parent company or subsidiaries, that aids and abets illegal aliens or illegal immigration shall be denied approval of a BUSINESS PERMIT, THE RENEWAL OF BUSINES PERMIT city contracts or grants for a period of not less than five years from its last offense.
At the same time there is also an ordinance declaring English as the official language of the "city".
The number of complaints I get from residents on overcrowding in single family detached home with up to 15/18 adults and many children are to getting completely out of hand. One neighbor has 11 cars being parked at one house. My question to Bubba, Tony, Garibaldi, GS and who everels would like to jump in, is what do you thinki of this kind of ordinance? Pros and Cons?

Get over it Gary. I never said that the gay pride festival had anything to do with Mikels defeat, I was simply responding to your twisting of the truth. There is no issue in this campaign involving gays. It is obvious that you are trying to fabricate an issue where none exists.

I think the enforcement of ordinances to prevent overcrowding of residences is a seperate issue from the illegal immigration problem. Sure, the majority of overcrowded residences in our community are likely to be occupied by illegal immigrants. But in fairness, if overcrowding is the issue then the ordinance should not make a distinction with regard to residency status. The same problem could exist with a bunch of college students renting a house together. So enforcement of overcrowding ordinances should just focus on instances of overcrowding, regardless of whether the occupants are illegal or not.

Bubba,

I would absolutely agree that everyone is entitled to respond and Foy should be allowed to respond to the inquiry.

But if I understand correctly, Councilmember Williamson (sorry for calling you Barbra and misspelling it) faxed to Brian Dennert a letter requesting a donation and a letter from the Secretary of State saying this organization was suspended. If that's not the case I apologize, but if it is Foy should be able to respond and the newspaper should give us the facts.

Councilmember,

I agree with Bubba, that the cost of housing is creating a problem with families (legal or illegal) moving in together to try, most cost effectively, to put a roof over their head.

Yes, there is a severe danger to overcrowding any structure and as we saw in Simi awhile back it can lead to death. So yes, I believe we should add an ordinance about overcrowding, but what formula do we use to determine allowed amount of people?

With many large families in your community you could run in to a problem of limiting a family to so many children? Or if their adult children run in to financial problems you have to be homeless rather than come home? I see the good intentions on not straining a neighborhood and providing safety with limiting people to a house, but a slippery slope. Also, you need to consider can you provide City staff to enforce the rules? I would assume your City departments may be starting to get stretched thin on Code Enforcement. Does the City have more money to pour in to more staff?

Also, the City designating an official language? Would that regulate public business advertisements to be in English? What if I wanted to advertise to a sector of the population to grow my business? Would the language just be for government documents? How do you envision that working?

Finally, on going after businesses who employ illegals I am in full support, but you are going to get hammered from business owners who run some of their businesses with the help of lower wage earners: hotels, gardeners, etc.

Tough issue to work on, these issues burden all levels of government.

BK, you raise a good point, ie, about gays not being an issue in this election. But it should. Not because our community has any problem with gays and not even because Mr Foy is involved in an organization in which a large segment believes that gays should be treated as second class citizens or criminals or even put to death (according to the Reconstructionist wing of that organization). It should be an issue because it helps define what's in Mr Foy's and his supporters heads. Since he won't come out and speak on ANY issues, others need to find out for themselves...either by posting the information we find or by forcing Mr Foy out from wherever it is he's hiding and into the public's scrutiny. If Mr Foy isn't willing to face the Voters and explain where he stands on issues then he deserves whatever he gets.

Actually I agree with you Gary, Foy is ducking the issues and not making it very clear exactly where he stands on a lot of things. My guess is that his campaign strategy is to keep his mouth shut and assume that he will keep his base and collect most of Mikels' supporters. It is up to Dantona to communicate his message and build up his popularity with voters enough to put some heat on Foy. So far that hasn't happened so Foy doesn't feel any pressure to speak up.

Dear Barbra,

English as the official language of a city is simply stupid symbolism.

NOW - going after businesses that knowingly employ illegals is the key to real reform and I'll bet you Dantona supports that hands down.

Businesses in the U.S. courting illegals threaten low-wage earning legal residents - encouraging more illegal immigration while increasing families living below the poverty line.

Since you mentioned it:

ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION FACTS

…The Bush administration in its first four years was responsible for 318 fines against employers who hired illegal workers, an average of fewer than 80 each year. That's down from 5,587 fines against illegal employers during the eight years of the Clinton administration, according to the Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus, an average of 698 each year. And the problem is getting worse; in 2004 only three employers received fines for illegal hiring.

Work site arrests have fallen even more drastically under this president. From 1995 to 1998, there were between 10,000 and 18,000 work site arrests of illegal aliens each year. But during the Bush administration, work site arrests fell to just 159 in 2004.

Apprehensions along the border averaged 1.05 million from fiscal year 2001 to 2004, according to the independent, progressive group Third Way, down from 1.52 million from 1996 to 2000. Border apprehensions have plummeted more than 30 percent, despite a doubling in the number of Border Patrol agents over the past decade and the rising number of attempted crossings…

If the Justice Department rounded up 5,000 illegal alien EMPLOYERS on Friday night, the illegal alien employment problem would be over on Monday morning.

Bubba said:

"If an independent, objective news organization collected all the facts and did a report then I would believe it..."

"I think that newspapers and other media outlets have a responsibility to fully vet their information to insure that accusations have merit before they are published..."

Unfortunately the Star does not provide news - objective or otherwise. You want local news? Read the Acorn.

You want investigative news? Hire a private detective.

You want issues? Let's have a debate or public forum. But that means the other candidate would have to agree to show up.

In The Star's defense, they did offer to sponsor up to three. Coy Foy declined. Did the Star discuss that fact? Nope.

Will they? Betcha they won't. Any takers?

Hats off to Jim Dantona for willing to debate. Although I voted for Judy in the primary I have no repect for Foy unwilling to debate. Bubba I don't want a Supervisor who is to cowardly to debate. In fairness to the Dantona campaign Jim Dantona brought up the Landfill Expansion, Tapo Cyn. Park, and Development and many of us told Judy to adress those issues, but she didn't she was silent. She lost. Foy is unwilling to address the issues I think it will only hurt him.
Silence isn't always golden. I'm leaning Dantona.

This cracks me up. Gary is so desperate that he's resorted to trying to use Steve Frank, capoliticalnews.com and long time Dantona friend, who, by the way, has not taken a public position on the race, to take a swipe at Foy.

Gary, you, Barbra, and your other friends wasted your money on that ad. It got absolutely no traction, and now you're flailing wildly trying to get someone to notice it. It'll go nowhere.

You're following a strategy that guaranteed Dantona second place in the last election, and it will guarantee him second place in the next one.

WOW! Now Mr Foy's henchmen are attacking me for actually posting information from one of their own pro-Foy websites. Fact is, TITM, Steve Frank DID indeed endorse Foy in May 2006 and the results of his recommendation for Supervisor was posted on Robyn Nordell's website that month.

That last post was written a bit awkwardly and I did not mean for it to imply that Steve Frank is Mr Foy's henchman; it should have read "..actually posting information from a pro-Foy website." My apolgies Mr Frank and my respect for a website (CApoliticalnews.com) that digs deep and hard.

Look who helps Peter Foy and gets a link from his website.

I am proud he has gotten gambling money turned towards good causes. Can Danonta claim to have turned funny money to good causes?

Did anyone see Tim Keaney is stil writing from Texas? He wrote an article that mentions Jim Dantona but it is missing now. Does anyone know how to retrieve it?

Bubba,
Just to set the record straight, ...Jim Dantona DID NOT run any ad in the Ventura County Star. When I received the letter from Mr. Foy, I called a friend, and he helped me raise some $$$ (which I am very good at) and the IE ran that ad...so for some one who is into NOT spreading lies and half truths, I hope you will stop with saying he paid for it out of campaign funds...Thanks

I did view the ad the day it was printed by searching the Star's website.

It loks like it is all correct BUT I did not investigate the claims nor did I call both candidates for details.

I think all of my readers should demand a local paper investigate to either clear Peter Foy's name or to show Jim Dantona knows what he is talking about.

I think it is a fair discussion to have, but as I am not a lawyer, nor do I run a non-profit I can't claim to know who is in the right here.

If you call a paper ask them if they investigated and what they found. If they haven't looked into it, ask why.

A paper shouldn't print an ad that makes false claims and at the same time they shouldn't demand candidates pay to get a discussion started about an issue.

Steve Frank???

"This is too much" - YOU are too much!!!

I fail to see how ultra-conservative Steve Frank's endorsement of Biblical Law conservative Peter Foy helps "a good friend" who is opposing Peter Foy. These two (Dantona & Frank) have battled it out in the papers, on TV and radio and share very little in common outside of a Simi Valley residence.

Your claims are ludicrous and make GS and the Dantona "cult" all the more reliable.

Peter Foy is afraid to appear in a neutral public forum with Jim Dantona and the reason is clear: he knows nothing of what is required to be county supervisor, he has done nothing positive in this community and he would have to explain things he would be very uncomfortable explaining.

If he can't stand the heat, he should get out of the kitchen.

This arrogrance and determination to tell the Voters to go to h-ll seems to be the latest trend in politics. Foy's seeming more and more like the hybrid offspring of Dick Cheney and our last Supervisor. At least she started off with good intentions before being seduced by power but Foy's ALREADY lost it!

You are right Barbra, the Jim Dantona campaign did not pay for the full-page ad in the Star. It was paid for by his supporters. But it also doesn't change the fact that it was a negative campaign attack ad against a political opponent. Regardless of who actually pays for the ad it is hard to draw a distinction when a candidate allows their friends to do their dirty work. But technically speaking the ad was not paid for by the Dantona campaign.

To Mr. Foy:

"Cowardice is not synonymous with prudence. It often happens that the better part of discretion is valor" - William Hazlitt