Question: Is Mr Foy receiving welfare from the Feds, State & County in the form of subsidized tax breaks for farming? Anyone know the situation with Mr Foy's "farm"?

Under the Williamson Act and a variety of Federal & State tax rules, orchard farming reaps some pretty nifty tax breaks that the little guy and his family CANT use (a 75% cut in property taxes for one, a virtual total write off of land development costs is another. For the REAL family farmers those breaks are necessary but for a guy that claims he's going to be continuing his job running a major insurance company WHILE moonlighting as a county supervisor, wouldn't it beasking too much of him to ALSO be up on the old farm at 4AM, milking the taxpayers?

Now don't get me wrong...there's nothing illegal about gaming the system as long as you follow all the loopholes. Big landowners and developers use these tax tricks all the time to shift their tax burden onto their neighbors and there's nothing illegal about it. I mean, didn't you ever wonder why all those new mega estate homes going up along the hills outside Moorpark and along Tierra Rejada surround those homes with avocados? It ain't for the guacamole dip at the new house warming party, I can assure you.

These are typical actions of the Democrat and Dantona smear machine. If Dantona wanted to be honest he'd publish his own list of transgressions, both large, stiffing creditors on over 600,000 dollars of debt, ripping off his ex-wife, his personal use of a charity's funds, and small next to Foy's and see whose list was worse.

Foy has been in business for over twenty-five years and through good times and bad has always paid his debts, no one can say otherwise.

Danton's smear won't work, it has only served to energize more voter's against him, and to remind them of his gutter tactics against Mikels.

The voters of the 4th District have seen this before and know it means nothing, but goes a long way toward showing them the kind of liberal mentality that the Democrats use all the time. That is, don't pay any attention to my faults, but look closely at the other guys. Liberal democrats, like Dantona, will do anything to win and don't care about the citizens. Dantona needs a job, his business has failed, another bankruptcy, and he has no prospects for the future. This gig must look pretty good to him with a future as bleak as his. The voters of the 4th know better, they will elect Foy.

Foy wins.

Voter give me a break. You can see clearly from the piece and from the Star article, Foy has not always paid his debts. Foy makes people sue him to pay some of his debts, others he makes the county lien his properties for.

Dantona and the Star have outlined who he didn't pay. He came forward with the information prior to anybody having to bring it out about him.

The difference is that Mr. Dantona didn't send out information saying he was the fiscally responsible one and Mr. Foy wasn't - that was Foy. Foy criticized Dantona's bankruptcies while portraying himself as a responsible fiscal manager. Well clearly that is not the case.

The bible taught me a life lesson and you would think Mr. Foy, a supposed Christian, would know this - "He who is without sin, shall cast the first stone." Or for my atheist friends "He who lives in glass houses shouldn't throw stones."

Well Mr. Foy cast the stone, all the while sharing the same sin or glass house. That is a hypocrite.

Now we know why Foy didn't want to debate and now has agreed, he thought he could keep this buried.

Tony,

Do you ever read the stuff you post, our do you just trust Dantona's writers to get it right. Dantona is the stone thrower, and try as you might you can't change the fact that Foy has paid his debts. Dantona get sued for his debts and files bankruptcy. Foy pays, Dantona doesn't, Foy's honest, Datona lies, Foy runs a respectable business, Dantona's business fails and he declares bankruptcy over and over.

Foy pays his debts, Dantona doesn't. Nothing in the world is going to change that fact, and the voters know it.

Foy wins.

The first thing is that this was a SMEAR last ditch effort by a losing canidate.

Foy had some debts for over 10 years but he eventually paid them. HE DIDNT RUN TO BANCRUPTCY COURT AND CRY HOW ITS SO HARD CUZ HIS WIFE LEFT HIM.

so yes Foy was delayed in paying but eventually paid.

And investigations do not mean guilty as Dantona has charged.

Foy has ran a realatively smear free campaign.... I wonder if this will light a fire in his belly or if he will try to stay the nice guy?

WHOEVER LOSES THIS ELECTION IS GONNA BE DONE IN VENTURA COUNTY.

FOY WOULD NEVER LET DANTONA OR WILLIAMSON DO ANYTHING AND WOULD MAKE THERE LIFE HELL.

DANTONA WOULD SHUT FOY UP POLITICALLY FOREVER

SO MUCH IS RIDING ON BOTH THESE MENS FUTURE

Is Foy going to attempt to run an insurance business, a farm, and be a full time supervisor?

Is he getting greedy? People were upset when they thought that last supervisor was traveling too much and she only had one job.

I like how nobody has contested any of the charges on the mailer. One guy even tried to blame it on liberals. Liberals point out others flaws while ignoring their own huh? What are all the losses of licsenses about across several states? I don't know but I am curious. Aren't you?

For the record most people don't think making someone take you to court and then waiting ten years is an honest business practice. Maybe if he left the lawyers out of it.

Imagine Burger King claiming you can have it your way IF you sue us and then wait for it.

Can I get my order to go?

What type of mail does Foy send out in comparison to Dantona? Is it all nice issue pieces?

I don't want an answer from Dantona supporters as we all know what you will say.

Instead my question is addressed to Foy supporters.

Peter Foy said he won't take money from developers. But he is taking money from the people that represent developers. Is this different? If not is he a liar?

I will ignore hyperbole but I expect an answer that makes sense before I vote.

Is Foy a Liar?...I think you pose a very good question. Most of us know that he is getting developer $$$ through a second party, but if you are the general public and don't recognize the names, then you won't be any the wiser. As far as Mr. Foy making my life hell, so much for being such a forgiving born again christian..he gives everyone who is "reborn" a bad name. It would take more than Mr. Foy to make my life a living hell, he's just a very small kog in a big wheel...

Voter, I'm the one who takes the word of campaign as truth? Time to take a look in the mirror. At no time have I defended Dantona's bankruptcies. It's part of his record, but Mr. Foy is the one who said I am the fiscal responsible one.

If you had to chase me all over the state of California, which the gentlemen chasing Foy admitted in the Star article, would you tell the world that I was a responsible person or would you say I was a dirtbag? I'm guessing the latter and that is just one instance in the Foy article.

Dantona had two consecutive bankruptcies over a 7-year period and nothing before or after that. If we look at Mr. Foy's record it seems to date back to 1979 and continues through 2006 - that's a pretty standard record of financial incompetence or worse intentional dodging of responsibility.

I am not even upset with Foy over those particular things, if he had come forward with them. A Supervisor is one of five, with a County CEO, and that person by themselves will not dictate the financial direction of the County. I am more concerned about issues related to the County like Rocketdyne and development (both issues Dantona leaves Foy in the dust on). Instead Foy said Mr. Dantona is bad and I am good because I don't have these financial issues and then low and behold he does - that's just dishonest.

And voter be honest with yourself, it was Foy that attacked Dantona first in this race calling him a "fox guarding a hen house" and smearing his name insinuating that he cannot be trusted. That mailer came along with another mailer calling Dantona a Ted Kennedy liberal, which everybody knows is completely false. So don't take the holier than thou road with me, Foy slung the mud first here.

Now with his support crumbling Foy is forced to the debate. Everybody is seeing through your candidate Voter - as the letter to the editor says in the Simi Acorn, Foy is the Invisible Man.

Curious, and off topic: If Foy and the FoyBoys take control of the County GOP in a team up with the Stricklands, where will that leave Glen Becerra? Does Glen want to make a career of being a city councilman? If Foy goes down in flames I would imagine the Strickland's would have a tough time realigning themselves with the centrists, maybe putting an end to their careers, but how would THAT scenario affect Becerra?

As far as foys business liscences...

He says that he had one client that was in several different states.. when he didnt service that client anymore he didnt renew his liscence.

For Dantona to spin it the way he did is fraud.

Foy has some questions in his past but the business liscnese thing is HOG WASH...If he has no need to do buisness in SOUTH CAROLINA who cares if he lets his liscence run out.

Dantona took it too far, and i wish you who support him GS LOUPY AND BARBARA could admit maybe your guy took that mailer too far.,
27 years of unethical behavior????
ITs just too much. Mikels said that Dantona ran the dirtiest mud slinging campaign she has seen in 12 years.

I hope foy grows some balls and sheds light on the LIBERAL DEMACRAT that Dantona really is. Instead of the LIAR who is trying to pass him self on as A BI_PARTISAN MODERATE.

Express all the anger you want but if you use foul language I reserve the right to edit your post.

Ummm, the 1979 incident was Foy's refusal to pay a $8,292 judgment and those liens and judgements continue up until 2005. I'm sorry "you guys are crazy" that's only 26 years of fiscal dodging, my bad.

If Foy really was only letting a license expire due to one client, then why in South Carolina does it forfeit in 1994, 1996 and 1999? Just a question. Maybe he had the client and then didn't and then did and then didn't and then did and then didn't? I guess Mr. Foy can finally answer that at the forum. It's just too bad he left this forum all the way to November 2nd, so people could make decisions about him. Oh wait, that's exactly what he wanted, to wait until there was so much political noise going on that it would drown out the sounds of the forum.

Again, I don't see any anger directed toward Mr. Foy of going too far in calling Dantona the "fox guarding the hen house" when all Foy was doing was slinging mud without any facts to back it up. Yet you have a problem with Dantona pointing out FACTS about Mr. Foy and showing how Mr. Foy has lied to the people about his own fiscal responsibility.

"You guys are crazy", I know the facts are hard to look at and you don't like seeing it posted about your candidate, but maybe you should take a deeper look at your candidate before you berate us for your candidate's failures. Mr. Foy doesn't have the experience and lacks the strength to be the County Supervisor - he wouldn't debate until the last second, he has no details to his 4 point plan and lacks the responsibility to be our Supervisor.

I worked for Peter for 10 years. In the insurance business, In order to do business in other states you must get a license and pay a fee. When I was there we had a large national client that require us to get licensed in nearly every state. When we were done with the project we let those licenses go. In govenment licensing speak, they call that "Forfeiture" or Revoked Corporate License". For Dantona to use that in his mailer shows he is either completely stupid or playing political games that count on those who believe stupid, fact twisting mailers.

Bryce

To respond to "gs", the reason Foy can successfully run both his business and the supervisor's office is because through empowering his employees, building up leaders, and being a great businessman he built a admirable company that runs when he is not there. I learned alot when I worked for him and owe much of my success to my time in his company. I was deeply involved in the inner workings of the company and saw nothing but the most ethical behavior from him and those he relied on. What has Dantona to show? Hanging around the political fringes waiting for his big break? Looking for his opportunity to wield some influence and power on the public payroll? Good Luck! I sure hope we have someone with some success, business savvy and good leadership skills under his belt. Vote for Peter!!!!

Bryce

Okay, well thanks for the clarification Bryce. It's good that Mr. Foy has dedicated employees like yourself to comment for him, too bad for him he doesn't ever speak for himself.

I anticipate Jim finding an employee that likes him to respond and say "Vote for Jim".

I planned on voting for Jim Dantona. If all those license forfeitures are really what Bryce says they are I am disappointed in him. If I still vote for him I will do it with the same type of feeling as voting for Cruz Bustamante.

If Bryce is wrong, then Peter Foy's campaign is really dishonest.

I don't care if you guys don't believe me but I want proof from Jim Dantona what the license thing is about.

Biased...
At some point you as a registered and concerned voter must take it upon him/herself to investigate what is being said about the other candidate. Only then will you believe what is being said. Those court documents are actual filings...the $19,000 lein is for a job done on the Foy Farm (grading) that was not paid...But I am with the Dantona Campaign, so I don't expect you to believe me, but please do some investigation.
Thanks

I am BIASED in favor of Jim Dantona. I am concerned if the last mailer really attacked Peter Foy for having a license loss which is really just no longer having a customer in that state.

I need to know the answer because if it really is the fact that Peter Foy had a customer so needed the license in a state but when the job closed stopped paying fees to keep a license active the attack is truly misleading. Again, I want to vote for Jim Dantona and I have planned to vote for him. I just want to know the attack is fair and honest.

My first reaction to the mailer was great. I was excitied that he was going after Peter Foy. It was much later someone told me why someone might lose this license.

Can you please look into it for me and post here?

I voted for Cruz Bustamante but I wasn't proud of that vote. I want to not only vote for Jim Dantona but also be proud of my vote.

I will not vote for Peter Foy, but I am tempted to sit it out if I find out the mailer was dishonest.

The Phony Farmer can try to explain away a license or two, but I haven't heard any explanation for the majority of his poor record of unwise business decisions that resulted in the many liens and judgments that have occurred. Is he really a great businessman or just a very aggressive insurance salesman who doesn't mind who gets stepped on and what laws go broken? Dantona is a what you see, what you get kind of guy; both the good and the bad are on the table. For Foy on the other hand, the empty suit continues to hide both his past and his agenda.

My statement is mainly for Loupy. I understand the serious charges. They are easy to see. I still want to know if Jim Dantona really attacked a guy for having a nationwide business and at times no longer working in some states.

I am not against Jim Dantona. I am biased in his favor. I believe that Peter Foy would be a poor choice. I just want to know if Jim Dantona is a less poor choice, an okay choice, or a good choice.

Do you believe the explanation of the licenses? If you do, doesn't it bother you that it was made to look border line criminal?

It bothers me. I don't know if Foy's explantation makes sense yet. I want more proof.

I am not voting for the phony farmer but I am nervous about my other choice until this gets cleared up.

I don't work for the Dantona campaign and am not privy to the information that led to the forfeitures in all those states, but it seems weird to me that if that were the case why is South Carolina there in 1994, 1996, 1999 and 2005.

In my non-expert opinion to me it looks like Mr. Foy is not real good at filing taxes or paperwork to maintain his good standing in any state - not that he just somehow keeps finding clients in South Carolina every other year.

As I said earlier, did he get a client, lose the client, get the client back, lose the client, get the client back, lose the client, get the client back and lose the client again? Seems a little simplistic of an answer for me.

The financial errors of both candidates seem to end in a draw but remember, Mr Dantona opened up his past for scrutiny at the outset while Mr Foy hid his past from the Voters and refused to talk about it. Mr Foy's based his campaign in large part on his claims of financial responsibility & good character. Those claims are now suspect, not due to any lies from the Dantona campaign but due to Mr Foy's own track record.

The claims aren't even an issue of culpibility; they are made to illustrate that the candidate's claims of responsibility & character are exaggerations and should not be taken at face value by Voters. Because Mr Foy has been reluctant to discuss his errors and has done so only after much prodding and controversy, the Voters should be suspicious of all the candidate has to say...expecially with regards to his other claims.

Does that mean Foy is guilty until proven innocent Tony?

I don't trust everything that candidates say about themselves, but is the defense of the Dantona campaign that I must research his charges? Why can't he just tell me where he got the info and what it means?

Word has it on the street that the CRA(California Republican Assembly) is NOT endorsening Mr. Foy because of his enablility to be truthful with them and the general public about his background and all the secrets he's hiding.
See, it does come back to bite you. :)

No biased I am never one to say one is guilty until proven innocent. I am merely saying, I question that it would be that simple. I am doing my research to see what is the case.

I understand not wanting to do the research, but my advice would then be to email the Dantona campaign - don't post here on the blog and look for Mr. Dantona to answer the question. I don't think I have seen or heard from one Dantona staffer on this blog.

I think it is fair that campaigns put thier information in front of all voters. I am not going to e-mail Jim Dantona because we all deserve to see the answer.

If you really think the Foy/Dantona campaigns don't read this blog several times a week I am amazed.

I don't buy Peter Foy's answers. He talks in sound bites. He also doesn't use normal photos but instead pictures of him farming. I also think his idea of running a business, a "farm", and being a full time county supervisor is a load of crap.

After all that is said and done though I want to know if the person that made the Dantona flyer has proof something went down. Otherwise Peter Foy is being attacked for complying with laws that are burdensome on small businesses.

I want proof and you should too. I will not vote for Peter Foy. I am just thinking of sitting this one out though unless I feel proud of my vote.

Biased my only point is, that the Dantona campaign wouldn't have put something in the mailer they would be sued on later. If Mr. Foy wants to refute that information there are many ways to do that.

Most of the other documents referenced on that mailer also show the copy of the legal document it references on the mailer. The suspension by the State of California, the lawsuits from those Foy avoided paying, County tax liens and even the lawsuit from the woman employee that sued for age discrimination/retaliation/wrongful termination/ failure to prevent and correct discrimination (probably wouldn't get the same story from her that you would from Bryce above).

With all that, Dantona is not going to lie about something dealing with state forfeitures. I believe that this is all real, but I will continue my research. Feel free to do the same or not, it's up to you. The campaign sent the mailers obviously based on real documents - if you want the technical language all you have to do is do the extra work, if you don't want to take the Dantona campaign's word.

Phony Farmer Foy's statements and lifestyle are consistently inconsistent:
Stong Family Values - divorced

Fix County Government - what is wrong with it?

Christian Livestyle - lawsuit, lawsuit, lawsuit

Professional businessman - doesn't file tax returns, paperwork "snafus", suspended licenses

Farmer - bought land immediately before the election

The Phony Farmer has been in town for more than 20 years and hasn't been active in one charity in Simi Valley, hasn't attended a Supervisor's meeting, hasn't been to City Council or Planning Commission or Park Board. The man is a johnny come lately on a religious mission, plain and simple.

The Phony Farmer is an empty suit with a secret agenda. He is so far outside of the mainstream that even President Bush refers to his organization as a bunch of nuts.

I have some thoughts for Loupy.

I am really curious. When did you start not liking Peter Foy? Does it go back before this campaign? You seem to really not like him. Your comments seem like Hugo Chavez describing President Bush.

With Bush in mind when did he call them a bunch of nuts? Seems the CNP is the base for OUR president.

Was the lawsuit settled, thrown out, or has it gone to trial?

If your standard of proof is that someone files a lawsuit against thier boss, that is clearly anti-business.

What if he prevailed?

Oh my South American friend, you have missed the boat. Dislike Mr. Foy? I don't even know Mr. Foy. He may be the nicest man in town. My comments are strickly political. It is Mr. Foy's views and objectives to which I have disagreement. I do not believe Mr. Foy is the best candidate for the job. I think Mr. Foy lacks the required education and government experience and has an agenda that will not be in the best interests of the County.
Hugo, if you don't believe that Carl Rove is using the CNP, you are really out in left field.

Enough of being nice and professional though. Back to Loupy speak.

The Phony Farmer should go back under the rock from which he came. He is an idiot who brings nothing to the voters of our County. No Farmer Foy, we are not ready for the Taliban to land on our shores. Go back and tell them you did your best, but you failed!

Last night I ran into a group canpaigning for Jim Dantona. I spent some time chatting with a fellow who identified himself as Frank, Jim's younger brother. I found Frank to be extremely knowledgable. He further appeared to be a fellow who takes care of his body as well as his mind; well buffed to be sure. I suggest that perhaps he should take his older brother Jim into the weight room once in awhile, but he responded "it is hard to get Jim away from work". Jim, spend a little time in the gym. Buffing up like your brother will lead to better health and keep you working for us that much longer.

'Idiot' is a pretty strong word to use in civil debate, Mr. Pandolfi.

Indeed it is "Getting Real". Then again, history has shown that people have oftentimes remained silent when zealots have attempted to grab power. It isn't going to happen this time.

Brian,
It seems to be that you are obviously supporting Dantona because you have not demanded an apology on the behalf of Peter Foy from Loupy.

Loupy directly called Foy an "idiot" and suggested that he was a Taliban member and murderer.

This is unacceptable. This is hypocrisy and if you do not demand an apology from Loupy, you are obviously a left wing liberal and not hosting a nuetral blog site.

If you are going to demand an apology on one side, you need to be consistent to be fair to the voters of this county.

A "murderer"? Oh lighten up. He is a candidate for public office and hiding from the voters his memberships and beliefs. The national press has commented that Foy's organization has beliefs that are "nuts" such as substituting the bible for the constitution. The far right Evangelicals believe that every word in the Bible is true. You tell me how that is different from the Taliban with their "bible"? With respect to history, I think Christians have murdered far more people than have Taliban. Get with it and lighten up. No one has called Mr. Foy a murderer. I believe Mr. Foy is a fine American and great family man with views that are way outside of mainstream America. Beyond that, the issues speak for themselves. Thin skin in politics when Foy first came out with the vicious attacks on Dantona? How small can you be?

Sounds almost like Foy should be doing time somewhere! I'm voting DANTONA!

Of all the things you have said Loupy you finally said something true,,, Foy is a fine American and a great family man.

FOY WINS.... I vote Foy!

"Politics ain't bean bag."