Lots of room at Victoria Ave for talk about Ethics & Term Limits but none for such a very scary, potentially tragic issue like Rocketdyne. I guess if our politicos ignore it hard enough it'll just go away... standard operating procedure from those sworn to serve the public.

I read an article today that the city was planning on how much of each type of business they would allow. I am impressed that Glen Becerra has taken the lead in following my manifesto.

Call it what you will, but the city choosing which businesses can open up and which cannot based off of community need is socialism. That isn't a bad thing. Just funny that we are all socialists now.

Communism and capitalism are both on the trash heaps of history. But decentralized planning is being invigorated with new ideas.

Oh, I almost forgot. Too bad they are spending so much time on how many self storage places they will allow instead of focusing on toxic waste soaking into the water table throughout the city. Something tells me these people don't live on the valley floor or anywhere near the south east corner of the valley.

Every minute debating a storage facility is a minute not spent on radioactive material.

I think it is called opportunity cost in that old way of thinking called capitalism.

Karl Marx-----1 Adam Smith----0

3Mile Island West isn't affecting just the SE corner of the valley. The plume from 60 years of runoff would start around the Brandeis-Bardin grounds, widening greatly as it as it flows west until its hits the heavy alluvial deposits in the west half of Simi. At that point it would simply saturate the entire valley floor and begin pooling. On a map you'd almost see a line drawn from about Stearns & LA NW to Easy Street & Madera, then along the SPRR westwards into Moorpark. All the area west and south of that line would be red....or toxic green.

So let's remember! Simi Valley's one of the safest cities in the Nation... as long as you don't plant those roses too deep. It's a great place to raise kids...as long as you don't allow them out of the house when the water begins percolating up through the street. And rest assured that your civic leaders are looking out for your family's welfare...by lokking the other way.

Not a single local elected leader has anything to say about Rockedyne?

"At that point it would simply saturate the entire valley floor and begin pooling"? "...when the water begins percolating up through the street"?? I cannot fathom that a mature adult would write these statements. Can we have some mature, sober discussion here? Insane hysteria adds nothing to public debate. And if you're so afraid of the alleged contamination, gs, why do you insist on living closest to the source?? That's what really makes no sense. You're not afraid to live right next to it, but gosh darnit everyone else in Simi Valley, even if you live 7 miles away, should be terrified! Get real.

Hey, I'm just outside the red line, slightly to the northeast. But don't take my word for it, try getting a look at a hydrology map of the area and then tell me if the water flowing west and north, away from the Rocketdyne sites don't fan out exactly as I suggest they do. And ask the folks that live south of LA, between 1st St and Madera (remember a few years back they had mold and other gook growing along the sidewalks because of the constant percolation of ground water?) if they're concerned about the rising water table.

It's funny how a real threat to human lives and the financial health of local families quickly becomes "insane hysteria". I can only wonder which local politico or developer GROA is. That's also how politicians described the rumors around Love Canal, near the toxic incinerators in Louisiana a few years back, and in the odorific suburbs of Bhopal.

So let's not get anyone thinking too hard about the issue. Let's remain quiet and wait until local hospitals begin delivering clusters of affected infants and/or a few score new cancer cases suddenly erupt....whichever comes first.

So, according to Getting Real, people should move out of a large section of the Knolls and huge swaths of land in Simi Valley instead upon relying on Peter Foy to look into the issue.

I say Peter Foy because getting real used to defend him so much.

This is not JUST a Supervisor Foy issue...I understand that. The question of whether or not there IS a danger leaking out from Rocketdyne is still to be determined but enough evidence and enough coverup exists to suggest that ALL our public officials need to take the matter very, very seriously or risk becoming labelled by voters as part of the problem. At the very least I would expect our Supervisor to take the lead in encouraging those officials to start "getting real" about Rocketdyne.

This has been a life or death issue for people in neighboring communities for many years, but so far the response from most elected officials has been little more than a yawn and a "Perhaps we need to study this a bit more."

Unfortunately, that's too typical and it clearly says that such politicos are prepared to weigh in on behalf of their pals' pocket books rather than for the welfare of their constituents. This time around I'm hoping we can avoid a rehash of Mikels' last term.

I understand the Knolls folk have tried to contact Mr Foy's office and get some dialogue going on this and other issues. We'll see what happens.

Can anyone show us an online source for what parts of Simi Valley have the most BoeingJuice?

let me get this straight? The pro-cancer causing materials being disturbed and not researched crowd is now attacking THE HISTORY CHANNEL? Adding to that they are attacking people that live to close even though the research shows a huge chunk of Simi Valley lives too close?

I like the second video even better.

If it is determined that the contamination is a threat then all our local elected officials, from city council members to our members of Congress, who ignored this issue should apologize to their constituents and resign immediately.

I thought you knew it was a threat. Are you saying now you believe it to be a threat, but you aren't sure?

I said the area's ground & water are contaminated. To what degree that contamination poses a threat to the community I can't say, though I suspect it's enough to be a serious concern. Only an independent scientific study will give us the answers but so far no one seems prepared to conduct such a study.

What's happened so far is that our govt and the DoD have assigned the job of determining the degree of that threat to the same people that caused it. They say the threat's not bad at all. The independent panel chosen by the State to look into the records suggests the threat's extremely bad. If the reality lies somewhere in the middle we have a pretty big mess up at Rocketdyne.

Did you watch the videos? Do you think they hype the dangers?

No. But I don't have the ability to know for certain to what degree those dangers exist today, which is why I want to see a comprehensive independent study done. Until that study proves there is NO danger, there should be a moratorium on increased density in the affected areas.

Gary Selvaggio, that scholar scientist, just admitted the ONLY reason he cares about Rocketdyne. "Increased density," code term for not-one-more-F-ing-house-near-me, especially if it is on or near the old horse arena, and REALLY if I can see it from my beautiful Knolls mansion.

Just one more house is "increased density," Gary, so we get your gist. Don't be building anything remotely close to MY backyard. You just said it.

Rocketdyne is a convenient TOOL to press Gary's cause to stop everything he personally dislikes, especially that Colton Lee project that has caused Gary such a boner. (Replacements have a song, by the way, called "Gary's Got A Boner." 1987, LP "Let It Be").

If contamination TRULY worried Gary Boner, he wouldn't live anywhere close.

Yet he insists on doing so. Must not be that concerning at all for the vast majority of Simi Valley residents, then.

Moratorium. "Study". Better yet, "comprehensive independent study." WoooooOOOOOOOOOOO. Better than the $17 million every year Boeing spends to clean up the site? Order studies to study the studies that already have been done, and when you're done, study those. Then study the studyers. And get independent studyers to study what was studied by the studyers. Start all over and start sniffing (by people with really big noses) every inch of land with new studyers? Hopefully from the Knolls MAC. Ad infinitum.

Ad nauseum.

What's the ultimate solution, GS? Dozer down the entire hill and ship all dirt to Utah? Connect Yosemite to Calabasas Road? That might induce development, you know. Large connector road right by your mansion. You will never hear an ultimate solution from GS, because, my gosh, he just wants no increased densities. Meaning, not one more house.

His only ultimate solution is for every owner of property in his vicinity to not be able to do anything ever to benefit from the land they own and have a Constitutional right to benefit from.

Boner Selvaggio: read John Locke.

Same old song and dance from NIMBY Nation. Its President: Boner Selvaggio.

Dear PNTOTS!

You should learn a little about the facts before mouthing off so. During the Ranch debacle I and a small group were the only ones to offer a solution to Colton Lee Homes that included higher density in the form of clustered housing. The Supervisor's office knew this. The SKHA knew it. Apparently you're the only one who didn't. Or maybe you do know that.

If you need to make a personal attack, try to find an issue that actually works rather than a falsheood that's easy to rebut.

Gary,

Those of us who have lost loved ones due to leukemia shortly after they moved here to Simi Valley (and other nearby areas like Chatsworth Lake, Thousand Oaks, etc.) and who have other family members living here are on your side. Our inquiring minds want to know the truth and resent the fact that government hacks (at all levels) have helped to cover up the facts and argue against true clean up.

Do not listen to the propagandists for developers and the politicians whom they own who argue that ignorance is bliss and that the cost of human lives is just part of the expense of doing business in real estate in Ventura County. Those 19th century notions do not fly anymore in this country.

Keep up the fight! You are not alone by a long shot. Let me (and others) know what we can do to help move this forward.

Thanks! I've always said that human sacrifice is (still) alive and doing well, here in America. Anyone who's seen a cost/loss analysis being used to justify so many deaths per 100,000s versus corporate profits would agree.

And we will be organizing some actions in the near future...we'd certainly welcome your support!!!

For the guy that likes to personally attack GS pay attention.

The toxics from Rocketdyne are not confined to the Knolls.

We just looked at how they plan to drill to learn more about the northeast edge of the TCE plume extending into the San Fernando Valley. THese are answers that they really are just starting to explore should have happened decades ago. FYI, there is a document called "environmental cost of the cold war" done by the Department of Energy where they detail the entire process but simply forget to mention the SSFL. No matter how you feel about how bad it might be, it is currently being re-evaluated for Superfund status and SB990 is the difference between saying 1 in a million cancers - the EPA standard, is just for the rest of the country, or if it should apply to us as well. The "Old Conservation Yard" in Area IV of the site has remaining contamination is at a level of 1 in 50. Next time you sit in one of these meetings, look around. That's two rows in front of you, and two rows behind, and five people on either side. Look at those people and know that you are one in 50 in that group, and ask yourself if you are willing to be that one in fifty, or that human sacrifice, or if you should contact the Governor and tell him he needs to sign SB990 into law for the people of California.