Interesting story about local Democrats looking to make in roads with religious voters.
I think this county is headed for a complete Democratic take over. Democrats already control the Board of Supervisors 3-2 ( with one liberal R) and I believe they have more mayors too ( any easy way to fact check this?). The state senate next year for East County might even be in play. Add to that an aggressive drive to undermine the GOP base and if we see another perfect storm on the national scale the Democrats locally will make strong gains if they make long term plans now.
Thoughts?
Democrats exploring ways to reach faithful
By Tom Kisken
tkisken@VenturaCountyStar.com
Saturday, April 21, 2007
Democrats in Ventura County are coming together to talk about connections between politics, faith-based values and morality.
That's right, Democrats.
As part of a ramped-up effort to reach into territory once all but conceded to the GOP, members of the Ojai Valley Democratic Club will meet today to explore ways of reaching out to Jews, Muslims, Christians and others. A week ago, Democrats and faith leaders had a similar conversation in Thousand Oaks.
"The right wing has sort of hijacked Jesus," said Sue Broidy, president of the Ojai club. "This is a chance to remind people that the Democratic Party has traditionally represented the New Testament values of freedom and justice for all."
The California Democratic Party is one of the few state Democratic organizations in the nation to employ a full-time interfaith outreach director. That faith liaison, Jerl Laws, has been on the job about a year, journeying around the state to lead roundtable discussions and Religion 101 workshops that party leaders say are intended to level the playing field.
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"We haven't done a good job. It's because we haven't been out there educating people on where we stand," said former state Sen. Art Torres, chairman of the California Democratic Party. He added that the goal is to show people there is more than one way to think about faith values. "We don't believe God is a Republican, Democrat or a Green Party member."
Expanding discussion on faith
Some Democrats argue too much of the political debate on morality and faith focuses on a handful of red-ember issues such as abortion and gay marriage. They want to expand the discussion to include the war in Iraq, global warming and the uninsured. Some leaders argue even the federal budget should be seen as a moral issue.
Similar discussions are going on throughout the nation, at least in part because of the belief that the faith vote four years ago helped deliver the presidential election to George Bush. Diane Winston, a USC scholar interested in connections between faith and politics, said Democrats believe they can make inroads into Catholic and evangelical communities that are making priorities of environment and poverty.
But while some Republicans focus on very conservative Christian communities, the challenge for Democrats is figuring out how to talk to a diverse array of faith groups without overdoing it.
"It's going to be a delicate balancing act because Americans seem a little bit fatigued with religion," said Winston. "It's kind of a Catch-22. People want their leaders to speak in religious language, but they don't want too much religion in actual policymaking."
What some people want is less campaigning about morality and more action.
"I want politicians to function above any one religion but to reflect the values of all religions," said Rabbi Lisa Hochberg-Miller of Temple Beth Torah in Ventura. "I don't think we see that at all."
The Rev. Rob McCoy is pastor of a conservative Christian congregation in Thousand Oaks who often talks about government from the pulpit and invites faith-driven politicians to talk to his congregation. He, too, feels disillusioned.
"You know when you're being played," he said. "Whenever you look at the church as a voting bloc and you're trying to garner or muster votes by saying the right thing to those people, then you do not understand the church in America."
Faithful looking for consistency
Republican political consultant Wayne Johnson of Sacramento argues people in his party sometimes fixate on just the litmus test issues. They believe they'll gain and hold religious support just by mentioning issues like abortion and same-sex marriage.
Faith conservatives want certain stances on those issues, but they also want a consistent approach to anything that addresses the family, Johnson said.
As far as the Democrats, the party should strive for the days when it symbolized morality for many people. But some politicians may have to change their beliefs to renew that connection, Johnson said.
"When the Democratic Party in the 1950s and '60s embraced the civil-rights movement, it was good for the party and it was good for the country," he said. "But you can't replace racial equality as an issue with making the world safe for partial-birth abortion and expect to maintain the moral high ground."
Democrats emphasize they're not trying to advocate the beliefs of one religious group but rather to explore the moral and spiritual implications of environmental stewardship and foreign policy.
They say they want to acknowledge that religion is as important to their party members as to anyone else.
When Law first started as the party's interfaith director, he told people his job was to talk in public about the two things most likely to start arguments: politics and faith.
Now the 34-year-old Christian who has on his own studied Islam, Buddhism and Hinduism sees his work as more of a marriage counselor. He works to get faith and political leaders together so they can understand the issues that unite them.
His job is to show people the links between political issues, morality and faith. If that's achieved, he said, votes will come naturally.
Conservative Christian leaders need to concern themselves with getting votes for Jesus. Every second not preaching Jesus's work is the work of the devil. And that goes for every religion except Islam. Islam needs to watch the news; the false prophet Conservative Christians rather talk about them instead of Jesus.
Wouldn't it be nice if instead of focusing on the title of democrat or republican, we focused on electing leaders who work together to accomplish solutions to the problems facing us?
Democrats will not be successful with religious voters until they realize that much of their agenda has often been anti-religion. This is not about the right wing "hijacking Jesus" inasmuch as it has been about democrats often being overtly hostile toward Christianity. I have read many posts by liberals within this blog that show blatant anti-Christian and anti-religion bias. So long as this attitude is prevalent within the party Democrats will have a difficult time attracting voters who take morality and their religious faith very seriously. You can't honestly expect to brand religious people as backwoods zealots and extremists and then expect them to vote for you.
Bubba,
It's completely irrelevant to link "morality" and "religious faith". One doesn't have to subscribe to a particular religious belief to take morality seriously. To imply otherwise is disingenuous. In fact, we have seen people who are leaders of religious movements (Christian, Muslim, etc), conduct themselves with nothing resembling morality, though they claim superiority.
I think the GOP has taken the religious faithful for granted, and indeed treated them with contempt. They have gone into their places of worship, made promises and told lies, and played them for fools.
You forget that there are quite large numbers, in the communities of faith, who identify as and vote Democratic. Their numbers are increasing. We as a Party are at least willing to look at where we may have inadequately reached out to the faithful, and not been clear in conveying our message and platform.
Transversely, I don't see the GOP doing a damn thing to be inclusive. You can't honestly expect to label all Democrats as godless, faith bashing and immoral, and not expect us to fight back with the truth.
By the way, you're falling down on the job. You didn't call anyone a Dantona thug in your post or imply that he's somehow behind the whole thing.
tut..tut...Bubba, soon you'll be wearing blue unmentionables and putting a Republicans for Dantona bumpersticker on your car.
Once again BubbaK shows why he is anti-christian. He bashes everyone. Let's see who are his idols. We have Rush "give me more vicadin" Limbaugh. Paul "I promoted my mistress" Wolfowitz. Newt "I'm having an extra marital affair" Gingrich. George "I lied us into a war and have blood on my hands" Bush. Dick "I got five draft deferments" Cheney. Pat "Lets murder Chavez" Robertson. Duke "I'm in prison" Cunningham, etc, etc, etc. Yes BubbaK, you run with such a nice crowd! You slept with dogs and now you have fleas boy! The dems are gonna have a clean sweep in 08 because of guys like you!
Jesus doesn't need help from the Republicans or Democrats. They need help from Him. If the Religious right new anything about Jesus they would know His teachings are all the congregation needs to know!
If a preacher teaches Jesus's teachings he or she won't have to worry who his or her congregation votes for.
So much for singles night on Wednesdays at the big church in Westlake. Nice job.
Let's break down what Bubba Kidd said:
(Democrats will not be successful with religious voters until they realize that much of their agenda has often been anti-religion).
A Republican said this! This shows no remorse. It shows no acknowledgement of Sin. Is this what you want instead of Jesus?
(This is not about the right wing "hijacking Jesus" inasmuch as it has been about democrats often being overtly hostile toward Christianity).
Denile isn't just a river in Egypt.
(I have read many posts by liberals within this blog that show blatant anti-Christian and anti-religion bias).
What am I chopped liver?
(So long as this attitude is prevalent within the party Democrats will have a difficult time attracting voters who take morality and their religious faith very seriously).
Lecture time.
(You can't honestly expect to brand religious people as backwoods zealots and extremists and then expect them to vote for you).
If you let a Republican talk long enough they will sooner or later tell the truth.
Shut up Mike he is talking from experience.
Bubba Kidd,
Welcome back to blogging. You know you and I don't always agree but I value your input.
Now get typing!
Thanks Brian!
Based on all the hate-filled responses to my post I think it is clear why people of morality and faith have a tough time warming up to the liberal agenda. I rest my case.
Bubba Kidd, I like to read people with contrary views than mine. I think many of us do. So, I enjoy reading your stuff even when we disagree.
I don't have time to right now to tell you where I disagree on this topic, but do know that most readers never post. Your audience is much bigger than you'd imagine.
Now, with Democrats current issues can they do more than window dressing do you think? Basically, can Democrats appeal more to religious voters without modifying their positions on issues?
You rule BubbaKidd!! I am a Orthodox Jew and they do the same thing to me!
Jesus doesn't need window dressing. I am the only one with me on this.
Debunking of faulty logic = hate filled responses. What's your next argument going to be, Bubba?
Did too, did not, did too, did not?
Come on, you can do better than that. Dig down and give us your best Billy Flynn.
It's comforting when people with certain names are with you.
Keith what local leaders would you say work best over political divides or even city divides?
The statistics speak for themselves. In the 2006 congressional elections 72% of all voters who identified them as white evangelical Protestant voted republican. Conversely, 72% of voters who had no religious affiliation voted democrat. The faith gap is real and closing that gap will take more than smugly declaring that coservatives have "hijacked Jesus". The truth is that the once solid south is now solidly Republican and Democrats have shown little ability to understand voters in the bible belt. Remember the conservative Southern Democrats? Those guys have been driven away from a party that is intolerant toward conservative thought.
As an example, just look at the recent campaign within the Democratic Party to oust Joe Lieberman. This is a perfect example of the one-dimensional thinking of liberal politics. In the end they expelled a successful, popular politician from the party because he did not fit with the mainstream liberal ideological agenda. Nevermind that he remains immensely popular as a national figure and even in his predominantly liberal home state of Connecticut. In the end, as I predicted, he left the party and won the election anyway. Though this campaign was not an ideological battle over religion it was a battle over tolerance, with the Democrats showing that they have no room for conservative democrats within their own party.
The bottom line is that faith-based voters are also socially conservative. If there is no tolerance for conservative democrats then I see little hope for the Democratic Party in attracting conservative republicans to their cause, epecially when many liberals remain openly hostile toward Chrisianity and religion in general.
Bubba Kidd,
Lieberman was a Fox News Democrat. there is plenty of room for conservatives in the Democratic party. Look at Jon Tester and Jim Webb. Although they aren't traditional conservatives they aren't exactly liberals either.
Also, there is a difference in your phrase " white evangelical Protestant" and religious voters. I don't have the exact number but if you include Cathoilics, Jewish, Muslim, Non-white, voters the numbers aren't quite as skewed.
By the way, how is W. doing on giving these people what he promised? How are faith based programs being run by the political wing of the White House?
All sounds good, BK, but how do you account for Bush's (one of history's most UN-christian politicos) successful patronizing and condescension to the christian community? Seems you CAN fool most of the people, most of the time.
And as for Lieberman, he was ousted because he passionately supported the bungled war in Iraq...not because of his conservative views. Biden himself is a lot more conservative in most respects than Lieberman and he's done pretty well by the Party.
BubbaK you wouldn't know morality or decency if it bit you on the butt! The only thing you know less about then morality is politics. All your idols are people Christ would have prayed for, not with.
Let's check today's headlines. Yesterday an army Ranger testified that he was told not to tell the truth about how Pat Tillman was killed. He was killed by friendly fire. The cover was done because Bush and Cheney wanted to portray Tillman as a hero who died in action so they could get more 17 year old kids to sign up to go over and get killed in Iraq and Afganistan so Bush and his buddies can keep making money off the war. Jessica Lynch then testified how the entire story of her capture was a lie and that the Bush people knew it but kept lying anyway. Gosh Bubba Kidd, the man you worship, Bush, is so Christian, except for the part about bearing false witness.
Brian,
When democrats talk about reaching out to people of faith it is primarily the white evangelical protestants they are targeting. Last I checked democrats were doing pretty will with groups such as non-white and Jewish voters. But Jews and Muslims aren't a significant voting block in the bible belt. The biggest problem these days for the democrats are all those red states south of the Mason-Dixie line. Doing more outreach to Catholics, Muslims and Jews won't reverse that trend. You can't even begin to address the issue until you acknowledge your target audience and stop being openly hostile toward them.
Repeating your political anti-Bush rhetoric will not solve this problem. The issue is not George Bush, the issue is the liberal wing of the Democratic party and its open hostility toward Christianity. Until you figure that out the voting gap in those red states will only get larger.
No...Bush is very much a big factor in the christian-political wave in the country and figuring out WHY that community is willing to be bamboozled by far right political leaders is vital to fixing America. Rightly or wrongly, liberal America looks at their support of the history's worst president and perceives the christian community as willing to sacrifice the nation's well-being in pursuit of some ill-defined fundamentalist goals. That perception drive too many of the devisive issues between libs and cons...and its not good for any of us.
Some religious people molded the Republican party into their "golden calf". The Republicans have done nothing to glorify anyones religion. They have done the opposite. The Jerry Falwells and Ted Haggards relationship with Republicans has done nothing to tell the true story about Jesus. BubbaSkid is hiding behind the apron of religion. He is not doing what the Bible preaches. He is doing what Republicans preach. He thinks you have to be Republican to go to heaven.
I went to the Bible Belt in September of 2006. I spoke to the people. They see what the Republicans do. They know what's going on. Their not stupid. They are just people who want something to believe in more than the average American. It is easy for a Jack Abramoff to get them to listen to him. The hard thing is getting them back after you lied to them BubbaSkid.
BubbaSkid quote:
(When democrats talk about reaching out to people of faith it is primarily the white evangelical protestants they are targeting).
How do you type with a straight jacket on BubbaSkid?
Dear Republicans,
Can you get somebody to bring in a ringer republican this is becoming tiresome. It's not even decent spin. I can respect a good spinster. The republicans insult you with how obvious their lies are. Like we have no justice....
Oh yeah.... I forgot.... We don't....
Find all the politicians that think Jews and non-whites are not a voting factor for me BubbaSkid. Make me a big fat list of those folks for me. Bring a camera and go to Washington and ask every politician you know. It has nothing to do with political correctness. It has to do with keeping ones head. Don't ever forget that Owen and BubbaSkid.
LOL! BubbaSkid, I love it! BubbaK keep living in your fantasy world. Yes, you and your republican buddies did so well you swept the 06 elections and kept the house and senate. Right? Right? NOT!
And this is precisely why there is little hope for democrats reversing the trend in red states. As long as the party is influenced by lefty radicals (like many of the regular trolls in this thread) they will never open their eyes or minds toward solving the problem. What I see when I read posts from folks such as NBK, DOJ, and Stein is an intolerance toward anyone with a different point of view. You will never be able to reach out to conservative voters when you do nothing but belittle and insult them. Your tired anti-bush mantra only appeals to left wing radicals such as yourselves, but doesn't play well with voters who actually think for themselves and aren't willing to accept your propaganda just because you repeat it over and over. You guys are the ones saying that something needs to be done to attract these voters, yet when I try and explain the issue from a conservative viewpoint I'm met with nothing but political rhetoric and cheap insults. Which, in the end, only proves my point that you guys don't get it.
Matthew
8:21 And another of his disciples said unto him, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father"
8:22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.
Matthew
19:29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.
Does this sound like family values to you?
It sounds like scripture lifted out of context by someone who clearly has an anti-Christian bias. Gee, I guess that once again reinforces what I keep saying. You cannot effectively reach out to religious voters if you insult them and mock their faith. duh.
OK then explain the context of the passages I sited.
The bible is full of death, destruction and injustice. It is anti-gay, anti-women as equals to men and the new testiment is intolerant of any religion that doesn't accept Jesus Christ as it savior and there is no other way to read that context.
Most of the wars in the history of this planet has been started in the name of religion or have some religious basis.
And who said I was a democrat?
Bubba Kidd is right! We should all become good Christians like him and Ted Haggart! If Dems don't change they will not win the senate and house, no wait, they did, if they don't change they won't win the Presidency in 08, wait, they will, oh nevermind!
Keep all the Christian bashing coming. It only proves my point that liberalism has become intolerant toward others and, in particilar, openly hostile toward Christianity. And then, incredibly, you scratch your heads and wonder why democrats keep losing elections in all those red states. You zany liberals!
Going back to the original story linked to this thread, Republicans didn't "hijack Jesus". They don't need to. So long as mainstream liberalism continues to attack Christianity and insult believers there is little reason to think that people of faith will embrace the Democratic Party.
“It's wonderful that we have so many religious people in our party, ... They need to leave their theologies in their churches.”
-- Barry Goldwater
Bubba.
Like Skid said and you didn't really answer, the democrats took the House and Senate in the last election so your whole argument in incorrect to start off with and if the Republicans continue to support the war, dress in drag and divorce their wives they will lose the presidency in 08.
And as far as faith is concerned how many of us atheists do you really think there are in this country? Very few I'd think compared to people of faith. So there must be quite a lot of people of faith already voting for Democrats for them to win the House and Senate. So there goes another one of your half-baked ideas.
And I'm still waiting to hear what the context of my two bible passages are.
As usual Bubba Kidd totally misses the point. The point is that republicans take money from christian groups like Falwell's and Robertson's, but they do not practice the teachings of Jesus and as we found out in a recent book they made fun of those very same Christians in their White House meetings. Jesus Christ would never have condoned what is going on in Iraq. Christ said "Turn the other cheek, only love wins out and our kingdom is in heaven." Guys like Bubba Kidd only quote the Old Testament stuff like "An eye for an eye". That is why republicans lost in 06 and why Christians are returning in mass to the dems and why all red states and counties are turning blue, like in VC.
As usual Bubba Kidd totally misses the point. The point is that republicans take money from christian groups like Falwell's and Robertson's, but they do not practice the teachings of Jesus and as we found out in a recent book they made fun of those very same Christians in their White House meetings. Jesus Christ would never have condoned what is going on in Iraq. Christ said "Turn the other cheek, only love wins out and our kingdom is in heaven." Guys like Bubba Kidd only quote the Old Testament stuff like "An eye for an eye". That is why republicans lost in 06 and why Christians are returning in mass to the dems and why all red states and counties are turning blue, like in VC.
wojo,
I'm not going to waste time responding to out-of-context bible quotes from an athiest. It is clear that you have no respect for Christianity and nothing I say would likely change your opinions on the subject, so I won't waste my breath. You will have to find God on your own.
to "Bubba Skid",
Your statement that Christians are "returning in mass to the dems" is patently false and there is no data to support that. The red states are still red and a single mid-term election has not changed any of that. Liberal Christian haters such as yourself will only insure that things stay that way in the future. Don't forget that in the past four decades there have only been three democrats elected to the White House and all of them were Southerners. Those red states in the south also control more and more electoral votes, which is why it is funny that you treat people in the bible belt with such distain. But then again I never figured you to be very bright since you can't even come up with your own blogging persona. People like you do more to benefit republicans than you realize. Good job.
Bubba Kidd I am not a "Christian hater", you are lying and that means you just broke on of the Ten Commandments "Thou shalt not bear false witness". You will now burn in hell as directed by God! I only hate guys like you Bubba who are closed minded little men who are filled with hate and out of ideas and only know how to attack and cannot make sensible arguments. May god have mercy on your soul.
How des believing Our ForeFathers would not want the President having weekly conference calls with Ted Haggard............ How in the F... does that make me a liberal?!?!?!?
“The Government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion.”
-- quote from The Treaty of Tripoli
Drafted by the administration of President George Washington
Passed by the Senate
Signed by President John Adams
"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded not by religionists but by Christians, not on religion but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ." - Patrick Henry
How far from the Gospel of Christ we've strayed...
Owen,
Why is it you and Bubba Kidd and guys like Bush and Cheney refuse to follow the teachings of Christ? Are you Christ haters?
Owen,
Get your history straight:
Most of the leadership of the founders of this nation were Deists or Freethinkers - and not Christians. This included such people Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, John Adams, James Monroe, Ethan Allen and Thomas Paine.
In 1831, five years after the passing of both Jefferson and Adams, the Reverend Bird Wilson, an Episcopal minister and historian, would lament in a sermon: “The founders of our nation were nearly all Infidels.”
Check your facts.
Please include George Washington with the above non-Christians.
(Click on the libertarian blog site.)
All the founding fathers were actually free-masons, that is why they have the masonic symbol on the back of the dollar bill and ironically the republican party worships the almighty buck, that is why the faithful are returning to the dems.
Did you ever hear about Thomas Jefferson writing his own edited Bible taking out the miracles and focusing on the teaches of Jesus?
Owen, what would happen if it turned out Barack Obama did the same thing?
I think in many ways we are less tolerate of religious dissent amongst our leaders today.
EKH: Are you disputing the validity of Patrick Henry's quote? What does "Freethinker" mean? Do you believe that all people who believe in organized religion are mindless drones?
Mr. Owen has missed the point. The founding fathers generation had a variety of faiths and ideals behind it, bot just traditional Christians beliefs that you would lead us to think.
Any presidential candidate today that said they were a deist would have a tougher problem than Thomas Jefferson did.
Thank you, Dodgeball.
Since you asked Owen:
Simply stated, Deism has as its basis reason and nature. Deists through their reason see a design found throughout the known universe and this brings them to a realization that there must be a Designer or God. Deists see no divine revelation in holy books. They have no need for preachers, priests, or rabbis. Some (like Jefferson) believe that God does not intervene in his creation although some (like Washington) do believe that he may occasionally intervene in human affairs. The only prayers that they say are for those of thanksgiving and appreciation. Deism teaches self-reliance and encourages people to constantly use their reason and “question authority” no matter what the cost.
“Freethinkers” questioned the religious authority of clergy and the holy books. This group included Deists, other liberal theists and, especially, the Freemasons. It was in colonial America’s Freemason Lodges that Protestants, Jews, Deists, Unitarians and others who believed in God and liberty put aside their differences and focused on what they had in common. From these open rational minds came forth a fusion of the ideas of the Enlightenment and the most rational parts of the systems of law that had come before especially the code of English Common Law (which actually predates English Christianity by 200 years). That fusion is now the system of laws that we have as our legacy from this dynamic time.
It is a fact: half of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were Freemasons including John Hancock. So were other heroes such as George Washington, The Marquis de Lafayette, Alexander Hamilton and Francis Scott Key.
The evidence that the principle founding fathers were not Christian is overwhelming.
I hope this helps explain things.
The Republicans use religion for everything except inspiration.
Dear Bloggers,
I am concerned that the continued escalation of using religion for political one-upmanship
is using God's name in vain for political advantage. Do others share this concern?
My concern is not religion, but revisionist history for political and propaganda purposes.
“History,” Mark Twain once observed “is thick with evidence that a truth is not hard to kill and that a lie told well is immortal.”
I'm afraid that by definition of "religion" is already the politicization of Faith and thus it is fair game in any political discussion. The degree and the context to which each person uses it in those discussions will tell you more about the person...not necessarily the religion.
ML,
Why do you think Owen and Bubba Kidd refuse to follow the teachings of Christ? Do you think they are Christ haters?
What would you know about the teachings of Christ Mr. Skid? Not much it seems.
When Christ was asked what to do if someone slapped you in the face he said to turn the other cheek and that only love conquered all and that his kingdom was in heaven, not on earth. Based on this teaching by the Christ, should we be in Iraq killing our fellow man? If Christ would not do it, why would you Bubba Kidd? Christ also washed the dirt from the feet of the poor, would you? Christ followed the 10 commandments and said thou shalt not kill, do you support the death penalty Bubba? Would Christ? There was also the story of Christ and the fig tree. He came across a beautiful fig tree, but it held no fruit, so Christ cursed the tree and it withered and died. He said a tree that does not bear fruit is not worthy of being. Isn't that like the republican party these days? Tries to look good, but bears no fruit for society, like your comments?
Your ramblings make sense only to you Mr. Skidmark.
Bubba Kidd spit that feces out of your mouth, it is hard for me to understand what you are trying to say. I give you the word of Christ and you refuse to answer. Why do you not follow Christ? Just admit what we already know, you are a fake and a phony who resorts to name calling when cornered like the low dog you are!
Bubba Skid,
I don't know anyone, I certainly am not one, who follows the teachings of Christ without flaw or falter. Mother Teresa: " I do not pray for success. I ask for faithfulness."
While telling me to "spit the feces out of your mouth" and calling me "a fake and a phony" and a "low dog", you simultaneously accuse others of name calling while self-righteously invoking the word of Christ. I think you need to spend some time actually reading the bible before you lecture others on it.
If there is someone trying to get a reaction out of you, I say ignore them.
Barack Obama has been talking about religion in is stump speech including this quote:
“The problems of poverty and racism, the uninsured and the unemployed, are not simply technical problems in search of the perfect 10 point plan,” Mr. Obama says in one of his standard campaign lines. “They are rooted in both societal indifference and individual callousness — in the imperfections of man.”
Bubba Kidd, do you see this as a sign progress with a l;eadeing Democrat reaching out?
Bubba Kidd you asked if I knew the words of Christ and I quoted some of them for you which you then called "ramblings". Why do you disrespect Christ? Face it Bubba Kidd, if you and I were sled dogs I would be the lead dog and you would be the dog running behind me having to smell my butt, I'd be the dog that ate first and you would be the dog eating my leftovers. Next time be careful what you ask for.
Notice how nobody makes a big deal about the Jerry Falwell terrorist who brought bombs to Jerry's funeral to make sure nobody interupted it?
It is every religions duty to police their own followers. For instance I catch a Jack Abramoff out in public I address the issue. I believe Christianity and Islam followers are equally responsible. The false prophets on both sides are destroying all religions. It is no different than communism or the Nazis destroying them. The false prophet family values Republicans and radical Muslims destruction and tainting of others individual religions; accomplishes the same thing, by the same means, as the Nazis and Communists.
I am more than happy to locate and destroy all of these false prophets with no consideration to their race, religion, national origin, creed, disability, marriage status, military status, where they went to school, who their parents or friends are, how much money they have, ect. If you wear your religion on your sleave as a tool to decieve others you will pay dearly.
America needs to tell the Republicans to stay out of religious issues or they will destroy America and all religions. How Christians stand by and even help the Republicans taint their religion is disgusting and immoral and they are the false prophets the Bible warns us of.