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June 06, 2006
Baby Killers
Last Sunday I was called a "Baby Killer" for the first time. I was at Arlington West talking to a Vietnam veteran and looking at the thousands of small wooden crosses and we were discussing President Bush and other Politicians bad mouthing and convicting the Marines being accused of war crimes.
A women just hanging around since 1969 walked up to us and asked " What about the Iraqis ? Where's the remberence of the ONE MILLION innocent Iraqis our military has murdered ?
I answered " Right here " and pointed to my memorial braclet and said " And here " and pointed to my heart. I then asked here for the names of some of these people that were murdered and offered the names of those Iraqi soldiers I knew that died and continue to serve. She got very upset and said to me and the Vietnam Vet " You're all just baby killers and slaves of Bush! ".
We both just shook our heads and chuckeled at the shamless conduct we had just seen, as did others at the memorial site. I have gotten more and more upset with the coverage people like this and Cindy Sheehan get while our soldiers continue to serve nobley and get used by the Press and Politicians, both in and out of uniform.
Comments
Paul, you've obviously never served for your country.
I am a proud American and though I may not agree with every decision my president makes, I still believe in this country and what our military stands for. Why don't you try supporting our troops for having the guts to put that uniform on every day and go wherever they are sent to...leaving their loved ones behind, knowing they may never come back alive. And they would all do it again if asked to, simply because they love and respect their country that you so proudly take for granted.
Vote for whomever you like into office...but if you don't love this country, then get the hell out and go live somewhere else.
Posted by: ProudAmerican at June 9, 2006 12:05 PMWhat planet did all these Bush haters, America haters, soldier haters come from? Truth is relative for them, doesn't matter that millions of Iraqi's haven't died in the war, as long as they feel it's true, it's true for them. Their outrage is selective, it doesn't matter how many Iraqi's are murdered by the "insurgents", the American military is always at fault.
I despise the America haters and I'm sorry for soldiers that have to endure the idiots that harass our returning soliders now and in the 70's. Only fools do not learn from their mistakes, and their are plenty of retro pieceniks running around in psuedo demonstrations making fools of themselves. Yuk!
Posted by: Gregg at June 9, 2006 09:57 PMThe great thing about this country is people can express their ideas. Just as she could call you a "Baby Killer" you have the option to call her any number of four letter words that fits the slang dictionary. In the end it's best to hang your head high never stoop to the level of these so called "peace" demonstrators. They mean nothing and will never amount to a footnote in history to the real people who make this country great.
Posted by: ExVet at June 12, 2006 02:53 PMi know how you feel, i had to do crowed control outside west point during bush's graduation speech. i work for the sheriff's office and seeing all these people that dont have the foggiest idea what there talking about.... its hard being a iraq vet and watching thses clowns, but i wasnt there to make political commentary.
Posted by: john at June 12, 2006 09:11 PMi cant say i have kill someone and wish not to experience that, but i can say i saved someone life while risking my own i don.t think your baby killers that insane. your doing your job and my hat goes out to you!
Posted by: paul at June 29, 2006 05:11 PMHey Elias, for a chuckle sometimes I break out my "Iraqi Freedom- Mission Accomplished" cap I bought at Camp Doha in '03. So far, nobody has had the guts to say anything to my face, but if they did my prepared statement is; I was there, given a mission, and me and my guys accomplished what we were sent there to do...hence "Mission Accomplished". Now Baby Killer is another, "No maam, never been to Medical School, never did an abortion" really frys them, no matter which side of the abortion argument you come down on, just saying that they go ballistic and you get to try to walk away and not laugh you head off.
Posted by: Erick at July 4, 2006 10:30 AMI know this is a very touchy subject, but I had to comment. Being how the American Citizens have hardly any freedom at all, what are you fighting for? Freedom or Power? Are you in support of the War, or not? If you are War Support, then you are a part of the War. If you call yourself a Christian, you do not kill. Period. We are all a part of the whole. Nobody is outside it or affects it any less than anybody else, you and everyone on this planet still represent the whole thing. Also, Truth is not something that is right or wrong, it is a specific kind of energy I think (scary eh.. hehe). Honestly, who knows what? It's all relative to your beliefs. The way I see it. Bush Failed. Time and Time again. He failed during 911 and he was in charge. He has failed the American people and his administration is corrupt , in fact a majority of our whole government is corrupt. So you can be a part of the problem or a part of the solution. I'm not a native indian, but.. Native Elders would always let their people eat before the Elders, out of respect for the poor and others. Everybodys got the answer, everyone knows everything, everybodys got their point of view, I know nothing, yet everything. Tell your story. Continually exercise your rights.
Posted by: Concerned American at July 10, 2006 12:35 PMBecause Dick Cheney fully realizes how much money there is to be made by his (and Dubya's) grinning corporate cronies if we can just find a way to keep the tanks rolling. Corporate America is already as giddy as schoolgirls at all those multibillion-dollar homeland security contracts coming their way, the biggest federal expenditure since the Cold War. Cheney was in charge of several rounds of job cuts, including about 11,000 workers in 1999, a year that Halliburton showed a $438 million profit. Since those layoffs, Halliburton's profits rose to $501 million in 2000 and $809 million in 2001. Wow, I support a government that creates job cuts. Basically, Cheney blew up Iraq knowing that he would get the contact to rebuild it. SICK. REAL SICK. Anyone involved without trying to get out of the military or standing up for REAL Justice, is sick. ANYONE involved.
Posted by: Roots to Da Youth at July 10, 2006 12:57 PMThis is why I truely belive we need mandatory service, military, peace corps, etc. If enough people actually leave the protected American Bubble that we live in here, maybe they would really see the world for what it is and not the fairy tale that they live in. I'm a 30 year veteran of Naval Special Warfare, and I'm always amaized at how ignorant Americans really are, and how easily the liberalised press can manipulate the sheep.
Posted by: Jeff at July 15, 2006 08:42 AMPaul, you've obviously never served for your country.
I am a proud American and though I may not agree with every decision my president makes, I still believe in this country and what our military stands for. Why don't you try supporting our troops for having the guts to put that uniform on every day and go wherever they are sent to...leaving their loved ones behind, knowing they may never come back alive. And they would all do it again if asked to, simply because they love and respect their country that you so proudly take for granted.
Vote for whomever you like into office...but if you don't love this country, then get the hell out and go live somewhere else.
Posted by: ProudAmerican at June 9, 2006 12:05 PM
1. Don't tell me that my opinion is some how less than yours because I haven't served in the military. I have read many articles from Vets that are just as outraged about this war as I am. I have spoken to Vets that feel the only right this to do is to impeach this President. So don't even try to imply that everyone who is currently in the military or has ever been in the military agrees with this war.
2. What does our military stand for? To protect America. Well we have since found out that Iraq was not a threat to our security. You and I didn't know, but there were plenty of people saying at the time that Saddam wasn't a threat (Scott Ritter, Vladimir Putin, Hans Blix, Joseph Wilson, Russ Feingold) and I think it's the President duty to listen to all sides and only send our soldiers into battle only as a last resort. That is his responsibility to our brave men and women who put their lives on the line for us and he broke that trust. There were no WMDs in Iraq, there wasn't any tie between Saddam and Bin Laden.
3. Believe it or not, I am a Proud American too, but being a Proud American does not mean that I have to go along blindly with whatever my President tells me. It is our duty as Proud Americans to question the goverment when we think it is wrong. That is what this country is all about (of the people, by the people, for the people).
4. I support the military so much I want to bring them home right now and stop them from being kill for no good reason!!
5. I love this country and that is why when I see that the goverment acting criminal, I have a right and a duty to speak out and for you to tell me to go live somewhere else my friend is very Un-American in fact it is a bit fascist.
Paul W.
The vast majority of the military supports the President and the Iraq war.
Saddam wasn't a threat? Can you be sure anout that? Sure enough to risk a WMD that could possibly be detonated here in the U.S.?
First you say that President Bush is somehow resposible for 9/11, even though the Clinton Administration is much more culpable, then you imply that there was no connection between Saddam and Terrorists and that he had no WMDs. You are wrong on both assumptions, there is plenty of evidence that shows Saddam worked with and harbored al-queda before and after 9/11, maybe not tied directly to 9/11, but he defintely worked with the terrorists. He was very interested in developing WMDs, the only thing we didn't find was a nuclear bomb, but he had the means and the program to build WMDs, he was a sworn enemy of the U.S., do you really think he would have never used WMDs against the U.S.?
You may not blindly follow the President, but it does sound like you blindly follow what the media feeds you.
The government acting criminal? When and how? Congess legally gave the President the right to invade Iraq, there was a vote, remember?
Posted by: Dave Chavez at August 17, 2006 05:04 PMPaul W. Well, I agree with you and I disagree with you at the same time. Yes, it is our right and duty to question those who we have elected to run our country. But then we must also review what we hear and read in the media. And yes there have been links of Al Queda training and all in Iraq, as well as some evidence coming out that WMD's were taken into Syria. Unfortuntly you will not hear of this in the main stream media (DOESN'T SELL PAPERS), and most outlets have an agenda and have been captured by the likes of George Sorros, Howard Dean, et al. Do a little research before yelping Paul.
Posted by: chuck at August 22, 2006 09:42 AMWHAT PART OF THE WAR ON TERRORISM DO THEY SUPPORT?
This year's Democratic plan for the future is another inane sound bite designed to trick American voters into trusting them with national security.
To wit, they're claiming there is no connection between the war on terror and the war in Iraq, and while they're all for the war against terror -- absolutely in favor of that war -- they are adamantly opposed to the Iraq war. You know, the war where the U.S. military is killing thousands upon thousands of terrorists (described in the media as "Iraqi civilians," even if they are from Jordan, like the now-dead leader of al-Qaida in Iraq, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi). That war.
As Howard Dean put it this week, "The occupation in Iraq is costing American lives and hampering our ability to fight the real global war on terror."
This would be like complaining that Roosevelt's war in Germany was hampering our ability to fight the real global war on fascism. Or anti-discrimination laws were hampering our ability to fight the real war on racism. Or dusting is hampering our ability to fight the real war on dust.
Maybe Dean is referring to a different globe, like Mars or Saturn, or one of those new planets they haven't named yet.
Assuming against all logic and reason that the Democrats have some serious objection to the war in Iraq, perhaps they could tell us which part of the war on terrorism they do support. That would be easier than rattling off the long list of counterterrorism measures they vehemently oppose.
They oppose the National Security Agency listening to people who are calling specific phone numbers found on al-Qaida cell phones and computers. Spying on al-Qaida terrorists is hampering our ability to fight the global war on terror!
Enraged that the Bush administration deferred to the safety of the American people rather than the obstructionist Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act court, one Clinton-appointed judge, James Robertson, resigned from the FISA court in protest over the NSA spying program.
Democratic Sen. Russell Feingold called for a formal Senate censure of President Bush when he found out the president was rude enough to be listening in on al-Qaida phone calls. (Wait until Feingold finds out the White House has been visiting Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's "MySpace" page!)
Last week a federal judge appointed by Jimmy Carter ruled the NSA program to surveil phone calls to al-Qaida members in other counties unconstitutional.
Democrats oppose the detainment of Taliban and al-Qaida soldiers at our military base in Guantanamo, Cuba. Democrats such as Rep. Jane Harman, the ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, have called for Guantanamo to be shut down.
The Guantanamo detainees are not innocent insurance salesmen imprisoned in some horrible mix-up like something out of a Perry Mason movie. The detainees were captured on the battlefield in Afghanistan. You remember -- the war liberals pretended to support right up until approximately one nanosecond after John Kerry conceded the 2004 election to President Bush.
But apparently, imprisoning al-Qaida warriors we catch on the battlefield is hampering our ability to fight the global war on terror.
Democratic Sen. Dick Durbin has compared Guantanamo to Nazi concentration camps and Soviet gulags, based on a report that some detainees were held in temperatures so cold that they shivered and others were forced to listen to loud rap music -- more or less approximating the conditions in the green room at "The Tyra Banks Show." Also, one of the detainees was given a badminton racket that was warped.
New York Times columnist Bob Herbert complained this week that detainees in Guantanamo have "no hope of being allowed to prove their innocence." (I guess that's excluding the hundreds who have been given administrative hearings or released already.)
Of course all the usual "human rights" groups are carping about how brutally our servicemen in Guantanamo are treating the little darlings who are throwing feces at them.
Democrats oppose the Patriot Act, the most important piece of legislation passed since 9/11, designed to make the United States less of a theme park for would-be terrorists.
The vast majority of Senate Democrats (43-2) voted against renewing the Patriot Act last December, whereupon their minority leader, Sen. Harry Reid, boasted: "We killed the Patriot Act" -- a rather unusual sentiment for a party so testy about killing terrorists.
In 2004, Sen. John Kerry -- the man they wanted to be president -- called the Patriot Act "an assault on our basic rights." At least all "basic rights" other than the one about not dying a horrible death at the hand of Islamic fascists. Yes, it was as if Congress had deliberately flown two commercial airliners into the twin towers of our Constitution.
They oppose profiling Muslims at airports.
They oppose every bust of a terrorist cell, sneering that the cells in Lackawanna, New York City, Miami, Chicago and London weren't a real threat like, say, a nondenominational prayer before a high school football game. Now that's a threat.
Posted by: Ann at August 25, 2006 10:34 AMAnn, you should run for Congress.
Posted by: S. Brown TFK at August 25, 2006 03:50 PMI can stil recall the nuclear freeze crowd during the 1980s and the people who would say absolutely vile things regarding President Reagan. Their ignorance was plain as day and history has proved their positions to be dangerous and rediculous. There is a similar ignorance today, and, the folks who help shape today's public opinion (media and celeb-retards) are filled with those same ignorant folks from the 1980s. Those of us who support a vigorous war on terrorism also carry the uphill burden of responding to inane and loud opposition. It is fantastic that while Americans that share our point of view do the hard work of battling terrorism, that we have also been successful at persevering and constructing the defenses against ballistic missiles that President Reagan knew were possible. We need to pat one another on the sholder more often and remind each other of our successes. Europeans, American left wingers and celeb-retards will never acknowledge the successes, but they'll find a way to take the credit when things go well.
Greg W.
Posted by: Greg S Whitney at September 1, 2006 07:51 PMThe genuflection at the Bush and Cheney altars of draft-dodgers and evaders( remember Cheney's statement during Vietnam:" I have more important things to do" and Bush's father helping him to leapfrog over 500 prior applicants to the Air National Guard) causes me a constant state of dyspepsia.
Not one, not one, of Bush's rationales for Iraq have a scintilla of truth. The men and women of the armed services, like all my Vietnam buddies with PTSD, deserve the best.
Their commander-in-chief, however, deserves an impeachment.
As Samuel Johnson stated so eloquently: "The last refuge of scoundrels( Bush, Cheney and their corporate and Christian theistic acolytes) is patriotism."
As President Eisenhower stated, in his last speech in 1960, one had to watch out for the "military-industrial complex."
The democrats that you so gratuitously denounce are responsible for ALL the programs that have EVER benefited not only our middle and worker classes but also our veterans( i.e. the GI bill).
When the Republican bloviators serve( rather than talk) and pay( rather than war profiteer), then maybe, just maybe, America's finest young men and women will be sent into battle with great forethought- and not to serve the ideological masters at Bush LTD!
Posted by: Marc Rogers at September 29, 2006 11:29 PMAnn,
Your intellectual dishonesty is astounding. S. Brown is right, you would fit into the the lying, cheating and stealing republican congress very well.
Posted by: Paul W. at October 10, 2006 09:04 AM

well see whose side your on when you president cuts your benifits in 2007 and leave your buddy's with nowhere to turn on there injuries, on a war of what? weapons of mass destruction! one word iran, not iraQ
Posted by: paul at June 8, 2006 04:26 PM