Home › Blogs › No Issues Left Behind
« Stuck in the middle with you - II | Main | Push 'em through! »
May 05, 2006
Dost thou meeteth too little?
Re Jerre Reimers letter to the editor this morning, why is it that the Simi Unified School Board doesn't meet as often as say, the City Council? I count 6 general board meetings on the year, not including the "special sessions" that aren't televised, and are typically expulsion hearings.
6 meetings to meet in front of the public, to discuss long term strategy, enrollment, curriculum, bond funds and the rest.
Is it that the talking points aren't delivered on time? Are the scripts running late?
Read Jerre's comments here:
Sense of urgency needed
I was very disappointed in the outcome of the Simi Valley Unified School District board meeting Tuesday. In a bit over 2 hours, the board accomplished very little. At the previous meeting April 4, board member Debbie Sandland promised a discussion "at the next meeting" about the circumstances behind the very low rate at which Simi students meet the entrance requirements for the CSU/UC system. What happened to this discussion?
Board members asked to have several items put on the agenda for the next board meeting (May 30, four weeks away), but were told repeatedly that the agenda was already full. Perhaps they need to meet more often. For this current school year, they have met on the average of once every four weeks. It appears this is not often enough, given all of the items that need to be discussed and acted upon. The board needs to re-prioritize the meeting and take care of the important items first. As board member Carla Kurachi pointed out, important items are continually put off to future meetings, and little of substance is decided. The board has no problem loading the teachers and staff with more and more requirements to accomplish in the limited number of hours of school, but in its own case, acts as if it has all the time in the world.
We deserve a board that has a sense of urgency about their responsibilities
---end LTE---
Oh,. and if you think that the Board is spending the time you think there spending in the non-televised sessions (workshops as they like to call them)... Click below for the minutes from the February 28th "Board Study Workshop". Minutes is right.... a Total of 60 to be exact - to cover:
(1) Governor’s Proposed Budget
(2) Actual Daily Attendance (ADA)
(3) Budget Assumptions
(4) Budget Reduction List
(5) Transfers
(6) Multi-Year Projection
(7) Before and After School Programs
(8) Additional Budget Request
(9) Santa Susana and Simi High Funding
Read on...
SIMI VALLEY UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT
BOARD OF EDUCATION
MINUTES OF THE BOARD STUDY WORKSHOP
February 28, 2006
CALL TO ORDER President Debbie Sandland called a Budget Study Session of the Board of
OPEN SESSION Education to order at 5:35 p.m., in the Floyd Binns Room at the Educational Service Center, 875 Cochran Street, Simi Valley, CA, 93065.
PRESENT: Board Members: Debbie Sandland, Janice DiFatta, Rob Collins, Carla
Kurachi and Greg Stratton
Staff Members: Kathryn Scroggin, Superintendent
Lowell Schultze, Associate Superintendent, Business & Facilities
Don Gaudioso, Assistant Superintendent, Personnel Services
Mel Roop, Assistant Superintendent, Facilities and Maintenance
Bill Waxman, Director, Secondary Education
Becky Wetzel, Director, Elementary Education
Dennis Carter, Director, Student Support Services
Lynn Friedman, Director, Curriculum
Shelley Barta, Director, Fiscal Services
Barbara Dickerson, Budget Analyst - Confidential
PUBLIC
COMMENTS There were no public comments
BUDGET Board Members and District staff met for a budget study session. The
STUDY the following items were discussed:
SESSION (1) Governor’s Proposed Budget
(2) Actual Daily Attendance (ADA)
(3) Budget Assumptions
(4) Budget Reduction List
(5) Transfers
(6) Multi-Year Projection
(7) Before and After School Programs
(8) Additional Budget Request
(9) Santa Susana and Simi High Funding
A black and white copy of the power point presentation is attached.
ADJOURNMENT MSCU DIFATTA/COLLINS, 5/0, to adjourn the meeting at 6:35 p.m.
Motion #198
Approved on March 14, 2006 MSCU = Moved, Seconded, Carried, Unanimous
______________________________ ______________________________
Debbie Sandland Kathryn Scroggin, Superintendent
President of the Board of Education Secretary to the Board of Education
Comments
Scott – I agree with you 100%.
At the last school board meeting, almost one hour was spent on two items. The members announcements of which events they attended is not productive use of time. Neither was the 45 minute presentation by one school on the wonderful things they were doing at the school. Both of these items could have been reduced to briefings that were part of the member’s packages. Further, the presentations could have been made part of the minutes, available to everyone on the district website.
Bottom line – if they want to spend so much time with self-congratulation, then they need to make the meetings longer or hold more of them so that real work can be accomplished.
What the board did do was blithely accept a 36 days schedule slip on bond-financed school construction – no discussion at all! Where I work, programs are tracked using “earned value”, a methodology that details cost and schedule variances. A program manager would be looking for a new job if he reported a schedule slip without good explanation AND a plan to recover the schedule loss.
Carla Kurachi rebuked the board for failure to actually follow-up on items that were deferred to another meeting – such as a discussion of why so few graduates have taken the necessary courses to enter the UC system.
Tim,
Blogging on a letter that Jerre wrote is like blogging on a blog entry. The Board meets weekly and all meetings are public. If you guys are so concerned then actually go to a meeting and speak up. I also notice Tim you don't blog much on your own blog, why is that?
Because it's an election year, and people seem less interested in actually reforming schools, than they do in talking politics.
I think California will look back in 5-10 years and wonder what happened to all of the great school reform ideas.
Hmmm...
Posted by: Tim Keaney at May 10, 2006 09:15 AMTim,
To which reform ideas do you refer?


Tim:
This is an interesting argument. I would love Trustee Stratton to way in on this question. Jerre operates under the assumption that meetings equal output and effectiveness.
Also, do longer meetings mean more is actually getting done? Maybe, we should ask staff how much time they spend preparing for meetings and implementing the will after the meetings and what effects that has on their other departmental functions?
About two years ago I had a conversation with my father about meetings. Frustrated that I was spending majority of my day as a bank manager attending long meetings and not getting to actual productive work or to build my team that were dealing with new functions, I asked for some advice.
My father ran meetings with a board table and no chairs in the room. He says people don't like to stand forever and will speak very effficiently and only stick to the items on the agenda. Chairs equal comfort, comfort doesn't encourage urgency...
When I ran a meeting I implemented it to much success. My meetings were very quick and we accomplished the same things, but faster. I advised my managers who were also growing disgusted with the meetings filled with blowhards who talked a lot and implemented very little.
Soon all the meetings had no chairs to sit in... Productivity went up and meetings went down. Most importantly, communication improved because we were all more focused on the most urgent matters only.
My view is that meetings should be limited down to the implementable discussion points only. I have been to many workshops, meetings, and programs of all boards where discussions took place with no actual action or agreement being taken or reached. To me, I just felt like what is the point if you aren't really going to take action?
When I see meetings dragging out on one item, I most likely believe my representative has not prepared and asked these questions of staff prior to the meeting.
A year ago, I read a book entitled "America The Vulnerable". Great read on port security. One of the chief complaints was that the Secretary of Homeland Security spends 95% of his time either on the hill giving testimony or in the White House. Essentially, at this level it's all meetings, but it begs the question, if one is testifying to congress every day, how much real time is the Director of Homeland security actually spending blending his departments into a cohesive force?
Shouldn't the goal be to efficiently run meetings and move urgently toward an outcome on items that are achievable?
Also, do we really need to hear what each member did each week? I know it's a feel good gesture to say I attended this event and that event, but I think time would be better served if those comments were submitted to the minutes prior to the meeting and more time was spent on agenda items. They will still be reflected in the minutes, but I can't tell you how many hours a month is lost across the board due to board members talking about what events they went to...Call me a cynic, but I'd rather see my leaders spend their meeting time efficiently getting through agenda items demanding from staff results.
Jerre: While I agree that urgency on major issues is needed, I'm not totally sure more meetings would enhance productivity.
Your thoughts?
Scott
Posted by: Scott Blough at May 6, 2006 11:48 AM