Go get 'em Mary! Gallegly needs to go!

A few years back a good friend of mine was dying of cancer and was having problems getting treatment under his HMO healthcare plan. I remember him being repeatedly denied critical treatment. His wife came to me desperate for help. I contacted Elton Gallegly's office and asked if they could do something. Elton got personally involved and the insurance company eventually reversed itself and took care of my friend.

This is not meant to be a commentary on the healthcare system. It is to explain a very personal story where an elected representative cared enough about a single constituent to get involved. He did a wonderful thing, and for that my family will always be grateful. Say all the negative things you want about Elton, but I have personal experience that says otherwise. He is a good man who cares about this community and his constituents. As long as he is running for office he will have my vote.

Mary Pallent will just have to wait until Elton retires.

You're a jackass CAP-LOSER.

Sorry, Bubba, Gallegly may have done a nice thing for your friend, but as a lackey for the Bush administration, he hasn't done a lot for his other constituents. He's been on the wrong side of nearly every issue I care about, including the expansion of the State Children's Health Insurance Program.

We all know how tough it will be to knock a long-term incumbent out of office, but I admire Mary's spirit for trying and getting another point of view out there. She's got a lot of courage and class.

I've got nothing bad to say about Mary Pallant, but I have my reasons why I will be voting for Gallegly. I suppose it is no different than those who support Dantona because they know him personally or because their children were involved with BAD. I was fortunate enough to see a side of Elton Gallegly that left a lasting impression. You may not agree with his politics, but he is not the uncaring villain he is often made out to be on these blogs.

Higher level alert due to the gopher's anger? Makes sense to me.

By the way, gopher is running out of material. Several years ago the same story about Gallegly was run as a letter-to-the-editor. Only difference was that the letter was signed with a real name. Ah shucks, the gopher let his I.D. out of the bag.

Hopefully CAP-811's raised alert level will put a end to the rodent.

Elton has my vote too. He is a true leader who cares about the district he serves and does get personally involved when there is an issue of prime concern to a constituent. I've had similar experiences with Elton's office as Bubba (several of them actually) where he actually made a phone call on my behalf to a government agency and got them to pay attention to an issue I had. That's a commitment you'll definitely get from him - standing up to bureaucratic ineffectiveness or insensitivity.

Sorry dude, but you must have me mixed up with someone else since I don't write letters to the editor. Nice try.

Hey, maybe Elton Gallegly just happens to do good things for many of his constituents. Given my experience I wouldn't be surprised at all to find that he has done similar things for other people.

I'm sure his Republican cronies can get special treatment when they want. But I've heard exactly the opposite from Democratic activists.

CAP-811,
You've been nice to me on at least one occasion on this blog; I think we agree in principal on many things. Can I ask as a personal favor that you knock off the gopher alerts? They have ZERO effect on Bubba and they just annoy the rest of us.

Honestly, they just undercut all the valid points you make. I know it's fun, but enough is enough.

Bloggers should take note that I have said nothing negative about Mary Pallent. My posts supporting my candidate have been positive, without relying on tearing down his opponent.

In response I get the regular hatred and cheap personal attacks from CAP-811 and DumpKnowledge. They are obviously threatened by people speaking their minds and are doing everything in their power to suppress free speech through bullying and intimidation.

Marie, out of respect for you I will lay off for a period of time. I will continue do deal with this mentally ill psychotic rodent through other means outside of this venue during that time. Wishing you the very best.

One last alert, please.

Angry gopher. This alert has been raised to a maggot alert. Grab your poisons and shovel. This is now an official maggot alert from the Vector Control Division.

Marie, I'm sure you would hear the opposite from democratic activists. Perhaps you could give a specific example.

BTW, my friend happened to be a registered democrat. Elton never asked him or me about our party affiliation, proving that his assistance to his constituents is not just reserved just for, as you say, "Republican cronies".

I find it interesting that Bubba's friend was the victim of an HMO. HMO's were given the green light by Nixon in the early 70s and on tape Nixon is heard to say, "So they will deny care and in the process they will make more money, that sounds like a good thing." What has Elton Gallegly done to stop HMO's from denying healthcare to hardworking Americans who pay their premiums and are then denied coverage? I'm glad to hear that Elton stepped in for Bubba's friend, but isn't that what we pay Elton $175,000 a year to do? Not to mention that Elton has better health benefits, paid for by the government, then anyone on this blog?

Bubba, I've had anti-war activist friends who have really felt the cold shoulder over there. Not a big surprise.

I never said he wasn't a caring guy. I'm just venting my own frustrations at having someone represent me for so long who is completely out of synch with most everything I believe. I think he did vote to cut the interest rate on student loans, though. I'll give him that.

Fair enough. I understand that you need to vote your conscience and support the candidate who represents the issues that are important to you. I'm sure Mary Pallant is a fine person and sincere about her beliefs. I guess that's how the whole democracy thing works.

Yes Bubba you once had Democrats you called friends. But when they get on the opposite side of an issue and you stand to make an obscene profit (rather than say - a healthy profit), you hide behind your alias and spend 2 YEARS smearing and threatening them via the Internet. Suppressed anger perhaps from days past? Perhaps you chauffeured a Democrat who stiffed you for a tip?

I find it odd that Bubba seems to think it unusual that a republcian congressman would show caring for a voter in their district. I guess I am naive, I thought that was the norm, not something that should be pointed out to show that someone should keep their seat because of.

Get rid of the mongo/bubba personal attacks "family values."
Pallant can stand on her own without it.

I'm glad that Bubba Kidd got some help from Mr. Gallegly. It is understandable that he is grateful and willing to repay the Congressman with his vote. For the congressman to use his personal influence to intervene in the situation was gracious on his part.

The point I'd like to make is that Mary Pallant's legislative philosophy would benefit millions of Americans and people like Bubba who are at the peril of the HMO's and a broken and dysfunctional government.

Like Elton, she is kind and generous of her time.

Why is it so important to know that Mr. Gallegly is a caring man? Is it because his public policy is so mean-spirited?

What does Mary Pallant stand on the issue of illegal immigration?

I'm sure that you'll find a solid majority of Americans agree with Elton Gallegly and want tough border enforcement and are opposed to amnesty. What some liberals call "mean-spirited" is what most Americans call enforcing our existing laws.

Yes, and it's certainly been borne out by the fact that Congress didn't pass the so-called "comprehensive immigration reform" legislation last summer. At least these elected officials could read the will of the people correctly in this case.

I assume that most members of congress have their government paid staff perform good casework for citizens. That isn't a reason to keep electing someone. Now, if they do that AND support the values of the people of the district that is something different.

Brian, you'll get no argument from me on your last statement.

Liberal or Conservative. I think we can both agree that the influx of illegal immigrants are helping to destroy the middle class in this country.

My contention is that it is being orchestrated by the corpocracy and stooges like bush and Reagan.

IMO both parties have been complicit in allowing the uncontrolled influx of illegal immigrants. Each have their own reasons, but both parties have dirty hands on this one.

Going back to my question, where does Mary Pallant stand on illegal immigration?

How has Elton voted on funding government research for Juvenile Diabetes? Inquiring minds want to know.

Bubba Kidd,

Do you concur that the Republican Party, or more accurately, those in contol of the party have been complicit in allowing illegal immigration as a way to keep wages depressed and thus working to strain or decimate the middle class?

I don't speak for Mary Pallant. I speak for myself but I am willing to support her initiatives for reform and a return of the rule of law in this country.

Stop skirting the question.

I think Mr. Gallegly likes having illegal immigrants around so that he can whack them around like a pinata every two years at election time.

Why didn't he propose or introduce any of his recent legislation when Republicans controlled both houses of Congress for 12 years?

What is Elton's voting record on health care reform? Inquiring minds want to know.

I'd like to stick with the illegal immigration issue before we move on to other topics since nobody has responded to my question. Illegal immigration is a very important issue to most people and something that Congress is struggling to address. This issue is very important because it impacts our economy, housing, healthcare, law enforcement, and education systems. Illegal immigration has also been a divisive issue. Elton Gallegly has a clear position on illegal immigration that is well established as he is opposed to amnesty, wants tough border enforcement, and is opposed to driver's licenses and taxpayer subsidized tuition or other benefits for illegal immigrants. Many people strongly support that position, but some disagree with that approach.

My question is simple. What is Mary Pallant's position on illegal immigration and how does it contrast with Elton Gallegly?

What was Elton's vote on employer enforcement of immigration laws and sanctions for those companies and industries that employ undocumented persons?

BubbaKidd may be an illegal. Deport him. Let's see how far he will get with his nonsense in Mexico.

Yes Bubba Kidd, let's concentrate on immigration policy.

Does are "caring" congressman support the deportation of some nearly 20 million(!) people to their countries of origin?

Strengthened border enforcement needs to coupled with a sensible and compassionate road to citizenship for those who have demonstrated their positive contributions to our society and their desire for a better way of life in the USA.

None of those who come forward from out of the shadows are entitled to citizenship. Very few of those advocating comprehensive legislation are proposing a blanket amnesty such as the one granted under President Reagan.

Once the immigration spigot has been turned off and decent people no longer have to live under a cloud of suspicion or the threat of deportation, we can work on the task of assimilation and the re-establishment of the middle class.

Congressman Gallegly's remedies for the problem of illegal immigration are mean-spirited and short-sighted. His is a recipe for social turmoil and urban unrest.

Perhaps his campaign slogan for 2008 could be, "IF YOU TALK A LITTLE FUNNY AND YOU LOOK A LITTLE BROWN, YOU WON'T GET MY MONEY AND WE'LL SHIP YOU OUT OF TOWN".

Or how about this little diddy:

"I DON'T SEE THE WAR OR THE RISING SEAS, BUT LOOK THERE'S A BROWN GUY CUTTING DOWN MY TREES!"

Bubba,

Do you share Tom Tancredo's positions on immigration?

When has Bubba responded to direct questions???
When did he become moderator of the debate???
When did he give up chauffeuring to masquerade as a political leader???

RJ, you are absolutely correct. Anyone who cares about illegal immigration is a racist and nativist. It doesn't have anything at all to do with respect for the rule of law or security concerns about a porous border. Likewise, any talk of it being unfair to other potential immigrants who wait in line and try to do things the right way is bereft of any sincerity.

"Although he was a Mexican national, he never considered avoiding serving in the U.S. miliary. 'I didn't want anybody to die in my place,' he later explained, adding that he felt he owed something to 'my adopted country that had been so nice to me.'"

-If only more Americans felt that way today . . .

Owen,

There are many of us that care about the lack of border enforcement and the influx of cheap and undocumented labor that undermines middle-class wages and reinforces the Balkanization of our communities. I don't think this qualifies one as a racist.

That being said, I do find those that cater to the fear of foreigners and the promotion of solutions that would require the mass deportation or exodus of millions of people to be either racially insensitive or outright biggoted individuals.

While Gallegly doesn't claim to favor mass deportation, his policies would effectively starve or hound the vast majority back across the border as if they were a herd of buffalo or a migrating flock of geese. These people are not and should not be treated as if they were animals. This is why I consider Gallegly as either a racist or a demagogue on this issue.

His opposition to the DREAM Act and his recently proposed legislation clearly demonstrates a consistent pattern of mean-spirited public policy designed to curry favor with the right-wing extremists that form his political base.

The horses are already out of the barn and the barn is on fire. It makes no sense to shoot or starve the horses.

I am not fooled by those scoundrels that hide behind the flag or the color of authority and the rule of law to promote their hatred or effete classism.

Owen,

Your opinion, please:

Which Republican candidate is closest to the position of the rank and file of the party on the immigration issue? Is there such a position or do party members differ on what they believe the government should do?

My own opinion is that the party itself is as divided on the subject as the President and the candidates of his own party wishing to succeed him. About the only thing they all seem to agree on is that it would be bad politics to insist that employers function like Immigration & Customs Enforcement officers.

There might be one or more candidates who believe more government agents should be hired, but none seem especially anxious to suggest spending the money and raising the taxes to pay for this bureaucracy.

Is it all campaign rhetoric? Where is the heart and mind of the majority of the party on this issue?

I hate to interrupt all the Gallegly bashing, but I'm still waiting for an answer on where Mary Pallant stands on the issue of illegal immigration. After all, she is the subject of this thread.

Bubba,

I will ask you a second time as well: Do you share Tom Tancredo's positions on immigration?

I do, Thwackum. What of it?

I have a particular reason for asking Bubba.

Are either Bubba Kidd or Mongo Flamo running for or currently in Congress?

WHO CARES!

What IS Pallant's stand on illegal immigration? When I interned on her campaign last time around I didn't run into that one.

A question is asked of Bubba and Mongo answers. Birds of a feather . . .

Mary's stand on illegal immigration is as follows: "Deport Bubba and Mongo. They can't pass the immigration test and offer nothing to the well being and future of our great Nation."

"Deport the bums."

This isn't a trick question folks. Illegal immigration has become an important issue to voters, and it is not unreasonable to ask where a candidate for Congress stands on that subject. Elton Gallegly has a clear position. Some people agree with Gallegly, some people don't. But in 2007 I would expect any serious candidate for Congress to have a position on illegal immigration. I'm still waiting for an answer to the question.

I would also add that many states and local communities have tried to address the illegal immigration issue by passing laws of their own. Organizations like the ACLU have repeatedly challenged these laws in court by arguing that immigration is a federal issue, not a state or local issue. High ranking democrats in the state of California have complained that it is the federal government that needs to do something.

Which is why this question is so relevant. If Mary Pallant is running for federal office, and her own party has stated that illegal immigration is a federal issue, then surely she must have a position on the subject.

Mary's stand on illegal immigration is as follows: "Deport Bubba and Mongo. They can't pass the immigration test and offer nothing to the well being and future of our great Nation."

"Deport the bums."

This is an official gopher alert from the Vector Control Division. Grab your traps and poison. Gopher out from under rock.

As usual, Bubba never answer a direct question with a direct answer, but always instead with a partisan rant.

Whether you agree with Tom Tancredo's view that ALL immigration is to the detriment of the nation and destruction of our national character, there are some of his statements about guilt on this issue that are worth listening to.

According to him:

“The Democratic Party looks at massive immigration, legal and illegal, as a source of voters.”

“The Republican Party looks at massive immigration, legal and illegal, as a source of cheap labor, satisfying a very important constituency.”

In refering to George W. Bush:

"He can fight terrorists overseas, but he leaves our borders so they can come in here and do their thing."

Tancredo's point is valid: the entire nation has purposely ignored the problem for its own purposes for decades.

Now suddenly there is outrage! Is it real? Or largely election year rhetoric that each side tries to use to its advantage? Are there any voices of reason here or is it all about scoring political points so all the members of congress can keep their phony, baloney jobs for a couple of more years until they come up with a new "hot" issue?

Pure rhetoric as you have inferred, Thwackum. Your assessment of BK is right as well. We never hear a response, only the same old rant. Either he is being paid as a consultant, or he is just a nut case. I support gopher alerts as being a better alternative than to have any dialogue with it.

Enough with the gopher traps, etc., although it is a very tempting (and funny) option as an answer to the onslaught shallow, propagandist ravings that belch out from a few characters on this blog.

I give credit to most people to be able to see through the obfuscation that an occasional hack and/or character assassin posts. It is impossible for a rational person seeking to gain some insight to take any of them seriously.

For those that find facts inconvenient to their purposes, nothing anyone says using them on this blog will make any difference to their point of view anyway.

'Nuf said on this subject. Anyone want to talk about issues?

I'm trying to discuss the issues. The issue I want to talk about is Mary Pallant's position on illegal immigration. This topic is about Mary Pallent, not Elton Gallegly, not GWB, not Strickland, not Mongo, and not me. I'm not going to get into a discussion over my views on illegal immigration since I am not running for Congress and this topic is not about me. It is, therefore, an irrelevant and diversionary discussion. My question about Mary Pallant's position on illegal immigration is simple and applies directly to the office that she is campaigning for.

If you guys want to talk trash keep it on the Dantona threads where it belongs.

Mary's stand on illegal immigration is as follows: "Deport Bubba and Mongo. They can't pass the immigration test and offer nothing to the well being and future of our great Nation."

"Deport the bums."

I hear you BK. Keep asking your questions, but . . .

. . . for everyone else other than BK, here's a thought: leadership (Republican and other) on the issue needs elected officials more EFFECTIVE on the issue than the current President and Congress.

It is a fact - not a diversion - that many virtually every Congress and President since the late 1960s have been ineffective in dealing with this issue. Maybe it is time for new leadership in both parties that will do something practical. So far, all that we have seen is that issue has been the sole campaign plank for reelection year after year after year for some incumbents around the country. (They actually ask to be reelected because they have failed to deal with the problem!)

Long-term ineffectiveness on this and virtually all else they claim to attend to on behalf of the nation is the reason why Congress is even less popular with the people than the Presidency.

Time for change?

Great editorial in today's LA Times regarding the Far Right's "underground" attack on Obama in claiming that he is a Moslem. This same tactic was used to get Bush elected and the playbook is right in line with the way BK asks its questions and makes its statements. It almost makes some sense until you realize it is just nonsense.

Mr. Romney has been suffering the same type of attacks due to his faith and it may be coming from the same quarters.

Sad. The constitution outlaws a religious test for office holders, but that apparently does not stop some voters from imposing their own although most of them do not have the courage to admit to it openly.

It's not what religion it's how much religion.
How much of Mitt's religion will spill over into his decision making process? How much of "his" religion will affect all the others? That's the question real Americans have to ask and should have asked more before we elected the religious zealot, evil, lying, false prophets in the White House as we speak.

What a lot of hyperbole. Do we ask these questions of Democrats? Or do we automatically assume Dems can separate church and state issues? Why is Romney's Mormon faith such an issue? Harry Reid is also Mormon. I don't see a lot of attention paid to him in this regard.

The Mormon faith is very misunderstood. I have great friends who are Mormon and they live exemplary lives. No drinking, smoking or even caffeine. They are very family centered and have raised five successful, brilliant children.

I haven't had a single conversation with any republican where an issue was raised about Obama's muslim faith. As far as I know none of the conservatives on this blog has raised that as an issue. Yet liberals around here complain about alleged attacks against Obama's faith, though they offer no specific evidence of these attacks. This appears to me to be an accusation searching for a way to be used.

BK lives in a biased underground cavern. Read today's LA Times and you might get the story you crave. But since the idiot charges, and lack of knowledge, continue, you warrant an alert.

This is an official gopher alert. Grab your poison and traps. Gopher out from under rock. This is an alert from the Vector Control Division.

Yet BK, by the way you parsed your post you've just suggested that Obama IS a Moslem. Please read the papers. There's been plenty of discussion on the anti-Obama hit pieces suggesting he's Moslem.

What do you all think about the latest IC report that states with "high confidence" that Iran stopped its nuke weapons program back in 2003? Has Gallegly been absolutely wrong to encourage an administration that has AGAIN proven to have lied to the Nation in an attempt to go to war? Will Rep-to-be Pallant undertake to investigate and, if warranted, prosecute those who have taken us to war on the basis of lies?

Bubba thinks if you ever lived in or visited a Muslem country you must be a Muslem.

I saw Bubba in his garage last weekend so I say he must be a car.

Bubba, you just raised it as an issue by saying his Muslim faith. He is a Christian. Why did you assume he was Muslim?

I think that Tancredo is the closest to the typical Repbulican's position on immigration. But that's just my perspective, based on those who I come in contact with, and I don't really know many liberal Republicans. I've met some East-Coast establishment Republicans, and let's just say that we have some . . . cultural differences. Most Republicans that I know agree that we need to do secure the border and sanction employers that knowingly employee illegal immigrants. I read an article once that said there was one Social Security number being used by 30,000 different people. The government needs to start taking this seriously.

This is far from election year outrage, it's been growing in the base for a long time. If the Republicans would have made illegal immigration an issue in '06, we would have kept the majority. As it was, a lot of Republicans were disgusted and didn't vote.

Get it right, Obama's not a heathen, he's a godless heretic! ;)

gs, you have absolutely got to be kiddin' me. Rep.-to-be-Pallant? That will happen about the same time Ron Paul is elected President.

Mongo, simple of mind, puffed with ego, nothing said worthy of response. A review by the National Review of Bloggers.

Godless heretic? Clearly TV is not the only brain cell killer - talk radio is chemotherapy for the intelligent thought process.

"I read an article once that said there was one Social Security number being used by 30,000 different people."

Yup, I read an article once that said Bush & Cheney coordinated 9/11 attacks. And I give that as much credence as your "factual" article.

No wonder the Republican Party is in trouble. Ronald Reagan is turning in his astrological grave.

Been listening to Air America, have we?

Sorry Owen, I don't let radio entertainers posing as political pundits indoctrinate me from either extreme side of the aisle. It's a disappointment to think you march to their every contrived word. "Straight Talk" really has died a mournful death.

Brian, my post was not intended to imply that Obama is, in fact, a muslim. I suppose I should have used the word "alleged" in my post as I can now see how my wording was confusing. Of course all the syntax police around here seem to be out in force digging for dirt.

The obvious point of my Obama post is that a few liberals seem to be trying to construct an issue where none exists. There's nothing like pre-ordained outrage looking for a way to be used.

BK, the point was that the Washington Post and other sources had been deliberately using the same word play as you to make it seem like Obama was a Moslem, even though in the WP's case they corrected their misleading syntax with a disclaimer at the very end of one of their articles.

If by pointing out yours and their word play I'm a liberal trying to create an issue where none exists then you must be sleeping with Bob Jones.

I'm not talking about word play. I'm discussing direct charges from liberals who claim that there is an active conspiracy to smear Obama by linking him with Islam, yet they provide no real evidence to back this claim. If the best evidence you can manufacture is insinuation through "word play" then you have a weak case. My recent post is a case in point, where you immediately "parsed" my words to infer that there was something there that was not. I clarified the meaning of my statement, as did the Washington Post. I have seen no evidence of a conspiracy.

Somebody buy this clown a real life. Does anybody actually hang out with this guy?

"INSIGHT"
"HUMAN EVENTS"
Michael Savage
Bryan Keeling

...just a fraction of the conservative christian sources that have written accusations accusing Obama of being a moslem, attending a moslem madrasas or being a moslem sleeper agent. If you really feel that's simply evidence of liberals attempting to construct a controversy then you must either be ignorant of the issue and should have kept your mouth shut or you deliberately parsed your post the way you did to encourage these falsehoods, BK. Which one is it?

Its a rhetorical question, gs, isn't it? You know BK always encourages falsehoods!

In the Dantona thread your pal Not Owen posted the following:

"Also what do you think Romney will say about being Mormon? If he wins will the Country be run from Salt Lake City?"
Posted by: Not Owen at December 4, 2007 10:44 AM

So Gary, let's see if you can answer your own questions. Why is it that you see fit to condemn alleged religious accusation against Obama but give a free pass to your pals on this blog who do the same thing to Romney? Does that make you ignorant of the issue? Should you have just kept your mouth shut, or did you deliberately parse your post to encourage falsehoods?

Which one is it Gary?

Here is a suggestion boys. Let's keep religion out of it or start a religious thread. Romney's problem is not his religion. It is his empty suit "fill in the blanks as you go" political opportunism. And "Muslim" is just a buzz word, thrown around like a Frisbee to get the right all hot and bothered.

BK...you failed to answer the question and you've added another lie. I've stepped into threads many times to defend the Christian Coalition, several candidates's personal positions and Mitt Romney's problems due to the Christian Right's refusal to embrace a non-christian. Or was that just another of your symantic faux pas that liberals are gonna use to create an issue?

Now when you spend the rest of the day going thru the archives to pick and choose quotes from me, make sure you post the entire context of the discussions rather than the dishonest cut and paste snippets you've selected in the past to support your lies.

Wrong Gary. You used the Christian Coalition as a weapon in engineering a smear job against Peter Foy. You also recklessly attacked a local church with knowingly false allegations. I suppose I could provide the quotes for that one, but you only get evasive when confronted with the truth. And please don't lecture others about dishonesty since you aren't exactly the best role model on that point.

Sorry, BK. I defended the CC as a legitimate assembly of people using the system properly...as opposed to the Center For National Policy that was trying to do end runs around the sytem. And I make no excuses for exposing the acts of false witness that were being bandied about at a Christian church. Can I take it that you were one of those passing along the lies?

About the only subject never mentioned on this thread is Mary Pallant. She is a great member of our community. Let's hear something about Mary and her platform.

BK,

You obviously do not know Gary. I have known him for years and he is not the person you describe. He is honest even to the point of letting us know who he is when he posts on this blog. Better than the rest of us . . . You owe him an apology.

To address a point you raised in your earlier posting, you seem convinced that criticism of your exaggerations, half-truths and obfuscation (and worse) and is nothing more than taking you to task for your inability to utilize language with complete accuracy. Perhaps, as a solution to this, you take a class in English at the local adult school. Doing so would also be a great way to begin to mainstream yourself into the cultural character of this nation.

Is English your second language or do you just take small liberties with it as you often do with the truth?

I know Gary as well and you are wrong about him. If you want to discuss half-truths and exaggerations then first apply the same standards to yourself and to Gary, then we can talk.

You will notice that I was asking Owen questions about Romney, Owen was then free to answer. It is very sad that people like Bubba are afraid of questions. Romney is the one who is giving a speech on religion, he is the one injecting it into the race. It then becomes fair game to ask questions, that is called democracy Bubba. Also as another blogger pointed out it is Romney who has called Obama "Osama Bin Laden" at least three times. Now either Romney is doing it on purpose or he is too stupid to speak. Which is it Bubba? Inquiring minds want to know!

I do vote for you to leave Bubba. In all your self-righteous astonishment at "personal attacks, you now have returned to personally attacking Gary.

"I know Gary as well and you are wrong about him. If you want to discuss half-truths and exaggerations then first apply the same standards to yourself and to Gary, then we can talk."

I KNOW Gary. I trust Gary. He doesn't need to watch his back for him but honestly, you are more pathetic with every post. Leave and take CAP with you.

Mary's Four Pillars sounds like the best of both Roosevelts. Certainly the best two presidents of the 20th century. Restoring our economy to one of self-sustainability seems like a patriotic aspiration to me. If there is uncertainty as to how she would approach the issue of illegal immigration I'm sure that it will be addressed with the same clarity and resolve that imbues her positions on other important issues. It distresses me, despite my earlier glib commentary, that illegal immigration has become such a distorted litmus test when there are so many equally important matters of discussion. The eye is the lamp of the soul but when that lamp is dimmed by fear, hatred, and distrust it no longer sees thing as they are but rather as if through a glass, darkly.

Gee wizz Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, running me off the blog with the Bub? How rude of you. I too know Gary and he is my friend. Doesn't that get me any points with you? Even if I promise to be a better person, Zzzzzzzzzzzzz? Pretty please?

CAP-812, I had noticed you respected Brian's request and had mellowed. Now that jerk water Mongo came after you, it looks like the gloves are off. His buddy has gone back in his hole for the time being, but apparently this thing is still a problem. I thought Ventura could take care of its own. It looks like they still have some work to do.

We should vote Bubba Kidd off whether he ran off or not. Bubba Kidd cares more about his "fake name" than he does about Brian Dennert's "real blog".

Let's stop the infestation once and for all.

Jerkwater? Moondoggie, my man. You've defected over to this CAP-812 guy? I thought you had more integrity than that. Whaddup, fool?

OK, OK Mongo. Perhaps I got carried into the fray by the big surf rolling in. Sorry for that. I'll be more of a gentleman, my number one man. You did come down on CAP pretty hard when the poor fool hadn't really done anything. I'll be in Ventura Friday evening for a Christmas Party. Hope to see you over a cocktail.

No problem, Moondoggie. I will actually be out of town on Friday, but, hey, the waves have been cookin' at Surfer's Point the past few days. You should take advantage of the opportunity if you're going to be in town anyway.

Have a great weekend Mongo.

Small town indeed. Last night I was working out at the gym and struck up a conversation about blogging. The chap turned out to be Reverend Arthur Dimmesdale, a fellow I'd had blogging contact with over the last year of so. He was fit as a fiddle, had a bushy head of rather shaggy blond hair and looked like someone who had been on the stage at a Chippendales not too long ago. I tried to keep up with him on the various weight machines, but it was no use. In a large City this could never happen. I recalled why I love living in the burbs.

Kowabunga, dude. You too, Moondoggie.

And look who's love festin' here! None other than Mr. Moondoggie, the liberal-minded surf dude, and Mongo Flamo, the flame-throwin' Republican. Well, I'd heard that politics makes for strange bedfellows, but this is just ridiculous.

Ted Kennedy & Orrin Hatch are good friends. What is more ridiculous than that?

Mongo and I have always been bros. We disagree now and again like any two family members do. But I've always viewed Mongo as an upstanding guy who can drink a few suds with me and catch a ride to the sand.

Thanks for the analogy of Kennedy and Hatch. It is a good one.

Before this Senate election is over, I'm going to have a sit down with Mongo and Dantona. I'm providing the vino.

Surf's down today. It will be a long day in Simi Valley until I head to Ventura this evening for a Christmas Party. Wishing all my friends a great weekend ahead.

Yeah, Mongo's a real upstanding guy who likes to berate and belittle women and post slimy comments.

Don't bash the Doggie's bud, Gloria. I hit Mongo pretty hard when he crosses the line, but he is an OK guy.

Let's move this thread over the 100 mark. Not much about Mary Pallant came out, but it has been fun. Wishing all a great weekend.

Gidget and I think you need to pick your "buds" more wisely.

Gloria S., c'mon now, Mongo may be a little volatile at times, but I've never heard him step over the line too far. Besides, I think he makes provocative statements intentionally to get people's blood pumping a little and get the dialogue flowing. It's an old journalism trick. Works as good today as it did 25 years ago when I was in the biz.

Besides, if Moondoggie says he's cool, how can I not agree? Surf's up, MD!

Hey, by the way, what's up with the formerly angry, volatile CAP-812? The Zoloft must be kicking in, or something...

I stand by my original post.

CAP's frustration was with Bubba and its antics over the last year. I have no issue with Mongo or anyone else. Wishing all a happy weekend.

Gloria, you and Gidget are out doing far too much shopping. Gidget gets into the Christmas spirit, but residuals only go so far. Please let her know our Christmas Party starts at 7:00 tonight. I'll watch Mongo, but hope you don't hold his previous remarks about women against him. He does have a good side although a rather odd sense of humor at times. Bless you darling in this Holiday Season. Kiss, kiss . . .

Moondoggie, thanks for the kind words. Gloria Steinem, is that you out there? I knew you'd catch up to me eventually. Oh well, I suppose I'll never appeal to the femi-Nazis.

In the meantime, Moondoggie, peace and joy to you during the holiday season. Same to you, CAP-812. You seem like an allright guy too. I don't think you need anti-depressants. You're fine the way you are. That's the first time I ever agreed with Tom Cruise, by the way.

I'm with Gloria. Are you planning to bury Mongo on the beach Moondoggie?

Mongo shall never be buried. Mongo does all the burying around here, ladies and gents. Case in point - Jim Dantona's little munchkins. I typically eat them for breakfast with a cup 'o hot java. They usually never respond to me because the results can be downright horrific.

Besides, Moondoggie and I are bros. There ain't no separating us now. Stop your divisive words and join the love fest. It's a much more satisfying way of life.

You two guys should go camping on the beach for a while!

Meanwhile, I am curious to know do you any of the rest of you think might happen in this congressional race if Elton what's-his-name decides to announce shortly he is abandoning the sinking ship that is his party and not to run for reelection?

If so:
Is it McClintock or does he want to be the next governator?
Or is it Strickland who already has $500,000 in his campaign bank? Or another to-be-named-later office holder from Elton's hometown?
Or ?

Strickland has it in a state account which if I am right cannot be transferred to a federal race because of rules like McCain-Feingold and the 1970's era campaign finance regulations.

Is that right?

Tony can shuttle his money anywhere he wants. Isn't that why they investigated him?